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Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:06 am to Mephistopheles
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I was more thinking of Dorsey tbh.
Dorsey is improving no doubt but so far he has not been worth the #5 pick, thats all im arguing. Everyone here seems to think only SC players arent living up to the hype.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:09 am to Muppet
Me or him?
I love seeing a big ol' nose tackle or end rumble up and sack the QB, or engulf a runner, but their job, at least as far I'm concerned, is to tie up blockers and let the guys behind them make plays.
I love seeing a big ol' nose tackle or end rumble up and sack the QB, or engulf a runner, but their job, at least as far I'm concerned, is to tie up blockers and let the guys behind them make plays.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:13 am to RLDSC FAN
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Dorsey is improving no doubt but so far he has not been worth the #5 pick, thats all im arguing. Everyone here seems to think only SC players arent living up to the hype.
Some have, some haven't. What's your explanation for those that haven't? As I already said, to me it's a variety of factors, I don't think you can just say USC looked better than they actually were because that's just stupid, I think some players were able to coast and had their deficiencies hidden though.
Personally I was more of a fan of Ellis than Dorsey going into that draft mainly because I'm a Niners fan and he'd make an exceptional 3-4 lineman, whereas most of Dorsey's qualities IMO, are better suited to a 4-3 where he would be less likely to be engaged by two blockers and would be more able to make plays himself rather than for other players.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:15 am to Mephistopheles
I was talking to him. Dorsey is consistently tying up two offensive linemen and keeping lanes clear for his linebackers, which are holding opponents to 75 rushing yards per game.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:16 am to Mephistopheles
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What's your explanation for those that haven't?
I dont make excuses, if they suck so be it. I am more of CFB fan than NFL so i dont really care how they do after they leave SC. Plus I think its dumb to compare how a guy does in the pros to what he did in college. Lots of other factors come into play, like a big contract. Some guys get the money and dont care anymore.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:24 am to RLDSC FAN
I think the topic is a flawed premise. I'm not arguing that LSU players are any more prepared for the NFL than other prospects - I'm not a homer. I do take issue with you saying that 2/3 of the defensive line on a team that is 3rd in the league behind the steelers and ravens in rush defense don't function well in their roles.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:29 am to Muppet
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do take issue with you saying that 2/3 of the defensive line on a team that is 3rd in the league behind the steelers and ravens in rush defense don't function well in their roles.
I mentioned that Dorsey is improving but so far hasn't lived up to being the #5 pick. Jackson hasnt even played the past two games. So please tell me where I have been wrong? What issue did you take with this?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 10:39 am to RLDSC FAN
Not so much Jackson (even though he was on the all-rookie team), but Dorsey has been playing about as well as should be expected of a DT converting to a 3-4 DE within his first few years in the NFL. You're not going to be a stat monster in that particular role because the defense is built around LB penetration.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 1:14 pm to Suck Out West
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Bama would beat the everliving frick out of Oregon. Oregon's defense is garbage.
They really aren't that bad. I'll have to check the stats to be sure, but for all the 1st half points they give up, they don't give away many in the 2nd. Usually by that time they're scoring 40 or more anyway and it doesn't matter.
I don't know who would win that game. Each team is as deep as the other. Bama has a size advantage, Oregon has a speed advantage. Say what you want about SEC speed, but these guys at Oregon are really, really fast.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 2:43 am to loweralabamatrojan
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They really aren't that bad.
Um, yes they are.
518 yards to Stanford....597 to AZ State!
That's garbage.
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Say what you want about SEC speed, but these guys at Oregon are really, really fast.
I agree on this, but they had a decided speed advantage over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and lost. Alabama would have no trouble at all sustaining long drives, keeping that high powered offense off the field. JMO.
And where the SEC speed shows is in the front lines of both sides of the ball. I don't think the SEC has a speed advantage when it comes to skill positions, but I think they have a huge advantage when it comes to DL,OL & LBs.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:42 am to LCA131
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I will let you know...Carolina took Lafell this year and he immediately moved ahead of Jarrett who has been here 3+ yrs. Of course 6th rounder David Gettis did also...
If we're goin on one person to make an argument, I can simply end the thread here. Jarmarcus Russell = biggest bust in NFL history.
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 5:48 am
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:44 am to RLDSC FAN
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9 tackles and 0.5 in sacks is definitley tearing up the league funny when its an LSU player that those are good stats
But remember, it's the system designed so the D line produces no stats.
This post was edited on 10/7/10 at 5:48 am
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:48 am to LSUTANGERINE
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If we're goin on one person to make an anrgument, I can simply end the thread here. Jarmarcus Russell = biggest bust in FL history
He's not even from Florida.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 5:56 am to Suck Out West
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Um, yes they are.
518 yards to Stanford....597 to AZ State!
That's garbage.
They also forced 10 turnovers in those 2 games more then making up for the yardage they gave up.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 6:20 am to Suck Out West
quote:"There are three types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics" Mark Twain
Um, yes they are. 518 yards to Stanford....597 to AZ State! That's garbage.
Since you have done your homework and checked the stats, I wonder how many 2nd half points that translates into for Oregon's opponents?
They were down 21-3 to Stanford, and yet ended up blowing them out after making adjustments.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 7:42 pm to Suck Out West
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I agree on this, but they had a decided speed advantage over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and lost. Alabama would have no trouble at all sustaining long drives, keeping that high powered offense off the field. JMO.
And where the SEC speed shows is in the front lines of both sides of the ball. I don't think the SEC has a speed advantage when it comes to skill positions, but I think they have a huge advantage when it comes to DL,OL & LBs.
No one ever backs these kinds of claims up. What makes anyone think Oregon has faster players than Ohio State? The type of offense they run? The fact that Oregon scores lots of points? Does Vanderbilt have SEC speed? If the trenches are where the SEC has that athletic advantage, why is offensive line the one position where the Big Ten has produced more NFL talent than the SEC?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:13 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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LSUTANGERINE
3 of them might see a pro bowl. troy and carson are locks and smith just got hurt. cush could go if he stays clean. matthews has a great chance too.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:19 pm to The Ramp
Carson Palmer, Reggie Bush and Justin Fargas have done pretty well, IMHO. Mike Williams had a good preseason for Seattle, not sure if he is still up there or not. Most of the other guys mentioned are defensive players.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:22 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Fargas could be a stud if he left Oak
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