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re: Why do so many non-BCS fans talk about BCS money?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:12 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:12 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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Do you think that there was a reason ESPN didn't slot it for a price time slot?
You mean besides the fact that it would have kicked off at 4:00 in Reno?
Ever notice how JUST ABOUT ALL games for the Nevada (and Arizona...) schools are at night?
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:18 pm to Sophandros
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You mean besides the fact that it would have kicked off at 4:00 in Reno?
Ever notice how JUST ABOUT ALL games for the Nevada (and Arizona...) schools are at night?
and you've never seen a SEC school kick off before 4pm for a tv timeslot? Ole Miss kicks off at 11:30 AM CT for about 1/2 of their games. UGA, USCe, and Tennessee did the same.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:26 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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GeauxTigersLee
You're pretty damned dense. Think about things like weather (part of the reason that teams in desert states kickoff mostly at night is due to heat conditions), and who they would have to bump to, say, a 10:00 ET kickoff EAST of the Mississippi if they want to move the Nevada/Boise game to a 7:00 kickoff.
So, you think that the fans of an SEC school (for example) would be there for a 9 or 10 PM kickoff on a Friday night? Do you honestly think that males ages 18-35 are staying home on a Friday night to watch a ball game?
Your rating argument is bullshite because you lack context.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:27 pm to Sophandros
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You mean besides the fact that it would have kicked off at 4:00 in Reno?
So? They have West Coast games all the time that start at 7 or 8 Eastern.
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JUST ABOUT ALL games for the Nevada (and Arizona...) schools are at night?
For Arizona heat early in the year is the main reason for that, its also why LSU and Florida State in the past, started home games at 7 CST.
In 2007 when Dennis Dixon was at Oregon, they played at Az on a Thursday, the game did not start at 915 CST.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:28 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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LSU - $94.5 M (Athletic Budget) - Ticket Sales + Contributions - $66.7 M
Alabama - $100.3 M (Athletic Budget) - Ticket Sales + Contributions = $58.2 M
and most of that difference b/w budget and gate/booster is made up of conference TV deals (national and local)
the BCS money is $4M per school at most
it isn't the devil the non-BCS fans make it out to be
the real gaps are:
1. booster donations/organizations
2. gate revenue
3. regular season tv deals
the small schools aren't behind b/c of the BCS. they're behind b/c they suck at generating revenue for 1-3 above
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:28 pm to Sophandros
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dude, the game was on 11/26, it was cold for that game.
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part of the reason that teams in desert states kickoff mostly at night is due to heat conditions),
dude, the game was on 11/26, it was cold for that game.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So? They have West Coast games all the time that start at 7 or 8 Eastern.
On Saturdays, not Fridays.
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For Arizona heat early in the year is the main reason for that, its also why LSU and Florida State in the past, started home games at 7 CST.
And it's part of the reason for this. Also, read my second post on this topic. Who from the east coast would you bump to the 10 PM timeslot?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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dude, the game was on 11/26, it was cold for that game.
When it was scheduled, they have to err to the side of caution. And yes, I've been in Nevada around this time of year and have been out when it's been hot as balls.
Anyway, please tell me which east coast game would have been moved to 10PM so that they would have moved this one up?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:39 pm to Sophandros
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So, you think that the fans of an SEC school (for example) would be there for a 9 or 10 PM kickoff on a Friday night? Do you honestly think that males ages 18-35 are staying home on a Friday night to watch a ball game?
You're making my point. For college football Friday is one of the worst time slots.
There is a reason that only teams like Boise State, U Conn, Rutgers, ect play on Friday nights.... The good time slots go to the games that ESPN knows they can get good TV ratings. You really think ESPN has a bias against Boise State or do you think they have the $$ in mind?
Again, remember that #3 TCU vs #5 Utah wasn't even nationally televised despite ESPN Gameday being on location. Must be a conspiracy....
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:40 pm to GeauxTigersLee
let's talk the ratings hoopla right now and discuss how it's dishonest for schools to bitch about BCS money when it's not that much in the grand scheme of things for big programs
is it nice? yes
is it a program breaker? no
is it nice? yes
is it a program breaker? no
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:40 pm to Sophandros
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When it was scheduled, they have to err to the side of caution. And yes, I've been in Nevada around this time of year and have been out when it's been hot as balls
Of course its never "hot as balls" East of the Ms in say Sept. They could have moved that game if they wanted to a few weeks ago.
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Anyway, please tell me which east coast game would have been moved to 10PM so that they would have moved this one up?
I don't remember and don't care enough to look up the schedule from last Friday. It wasn't a game with a team in the top 4 and they often move games to better time slots.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Sorry to have hijacked your thread.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I don't remember and don't care enough to look up the schedule from last Friday. It wasn't a game with a team in the top 4 and they often move games to better time slots.
BTW, the only ESPN game at 7:00 that day was Arizona at Oregon. So would you move the #1 team in the country, or would you move the Boise/Nevada game to the 3:30 EST slot?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:50 pm to Sophandros
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Arizona at Oregon. So would you move the #1 team in the country, or would you move the Boise/Nevada game to the 3:30 EST slot
I would show the game with the Pac 10 teams over one with WAC teams in the better slot
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:54 pm to GeauxTigersLee
The reason TCU/ Utah wasn't on ESPN is because the MWC has a contract with Vs. No conspiracy. Just ignorance on your part.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:01 pm to Sophandros
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BTW, the only ESPN game at 7:00 that day was Arizona at Oregon. So would you move the #1 team in the country, or would you move the Boise/Nevada game to the 3:30 EST slot?
If you go by the matchup, the #19 Nevada (10-1) vs #3 Boise State (10-0) game should have been the 7pm game. But viewers would much rather watch Oregon play unranked Arizona (7-3).
I guarantee you that if 2 SEC teams were playing at the end of the season with 1 loss combined and both were ranked, then that game would be at the better timeslot over the game with an unranked team vs #1 team in the country (that wasn't even a rivalry game).
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:10 pm to Sophandros
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The reason TCU/ Utah wasn't on ESPN is because the MWC has a contract with Vs.
You missed my sarcasm... I understand that they couldn't show the game due to their contract.
My point is that it wasn't a nationally televised game, which further proves my point that no one cares about the non-BCS conferences and teams. If they did, the MWC would have been able to sign a TV contract to get them national exposure.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Last year's Orange Bowl generated fewer viewers (made the BCS less money) than the Fiesta Bowl. The two teams in the Orange Bowl, Georgia Tech (17.7 million) and Iowa (1/2 of 22.2 million = 11.1 million) earned their conferences a total of 28.8 million. The two teams in the Fiesta Bowl earned their conferences 9.8 + 7.8, or a total of 18.6 million. How is that fair? You generate more revenue, but get a smaller payout?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 6:44 pm to RockChalkTiger
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How is that fair?
2 conferences not a party to the BCS contract, or a contract with any of these bowls, got a shitload more than they would have otherwise by BEING LET IN
would they have made more money with the bowls those conferences are contractually obligated to?
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 8:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yet the people actually were more interested in the teams that were "let in" than the parties to the contract.
BOOM!
Disappear now.
BOOM!
Disappear now.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 8:30 pm
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