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Why do basketball players seem to have more control over teams and when did it switch?
Posted on 8/11/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/11/24 at 9:16 am
Back in the day basketball was dominated by coaches, Red Auerbach, John Wooden, Chuck Daly, many others. Seemed like the coaches had total control of the team and their teams personality matched the coach.
Something switched and now it seems like in pro and more and more college, teams are totally controlled by players for better or worse. I mean even down to team construction and personnel at times.
Basketball is probably the major sport where one great player can make the biggest difference on a team (outside of maybe a QB), so it makes some sense.
It’s just crazy seems like the game was totally controlled by coaching and now it’s the other way around, when and why did it switch? Magic? MJ? Before? After?
Something switched and now it seems like in pro and more and more college, teams are totally controlled by players for better or worse. I mean even down to team construction and personnel at times.
Basketball is probably the major sport where one great player can make the biggest difference on a team (outside of maybe a QB), so it makes some sense.
It’s just crazy seems like the game was totally controlled by coaching and now it’s the other way around, when and why did it switch? Magic? MJ? Before? After?
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Posted on 8/11/24 at 9:17 am to Tiger1242
probably bc talent started outpacing coaching significantly
Posted on 8/11/24 at 9:30 am to The Egg
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probably bc talent started outpacing coaching significantly
Definitely. At some point they realized at the highest levels, the strategy of - give the ball to that incredible guy and watch him score at will - was a better strategy than run some complicated play to get average players open.
Film your team with awesome offensive players and watch them go is a viable strategy at the highest levels more so than other sports.
Posted on 8/11/24 at 9:39 am to Tiger1242
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Why do basketball players seem to have more control over teams
Supply and demand
Within the NBA, there is a very limited supply of elite basketball players and a huge demand for them
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when did it switch
Once players realized their value, but this corresponds with max contracts, because they underpay the truly elite a great deal.
Posted on 8/11/24 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Once players realized their value, but this corresponds with max contracts, because they underpay the truly elite a great deal.
Yeah pretty much this.
Imagine a NFL where Derrick Carr commanded the same contract as Mahomes simply bc of Supply and Demand
This post was edited on 8/11/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 8/11/24 at 10:25 am to CovingtonTigre
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simply bc of Supply and Demand
*simply because of CBA regulations
Posted on 8/11/24 at 10:37 am to Tiger1242
Besides QB for football, any singular basketball player has more impact on the outcome of his teams than any other professional sport position. You could say a SP for baseball but they don’t pitch every game
Posted on 8/12/24 at 6:02 pm to Tiger1242
Even on a football team, the QB is on the field about 50% of the time and has 10 other guys with him.
Plus the way football is structured a lot of practice time is spent with position groups, so the QB isn’t spending all that much time hanging out with the DTs- so it’s more incumbent on the head coach to lead the locker room.
The star basketball player can be on the court 80% of the time and is 1 of 5, and everyone practices, meets, and watches film together.
Plus the way football is structured a lot of practice time is spent with position groups, so the QB isn’t spending all that much time hanging out with the DTs- so it’s more incumbent on the head coach to lead the locker room.
The star basketball player can be on the court 80% of the time and is 1 of 5, and everyone practices, meets, and watches film together.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 6:39 pm to Tiger1242
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When did it switch?
In the simplest terms, you see the League pivoting to get better TV contracts in the 80s.
To some degree the NFL markets itself. The NBA needed likeable stars as players are visible and fewer. As the disastrous 70s closed, the league and owners went all-in on marketing the stars, their worth became more than just on-court production.
Jerry Buss began the pivot from owner and coach....to star player, reversing the totem pole. Magic signed a 25 year, $25 mil contract with the Lakers. and got his Championship coach fired...Michael Jordan signed a $455,000/year rookie deal....Nike was paying Jordan more. Stars controlling the franchise had begun.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 7:07 pm to Tiger1242
David Stern sold individual stars over team identity.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 7:42 pm to Tiger1242
and basketball has the fewest players contributing at a time.
a playoff team usually has less guys getting significant minutes than a starting lineup, so a guy who demands 30+ minutes and is a top 20 player is going to have a lot of sway
a playoff team usually has less guys getting significant minutes than a starting lineup, so a guy who demands 30+ minutes and is a top 20 player is going to have a lot of sway
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