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re: Who's ready for some MLB?
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:26 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:26 pm to Lester Earl
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pirates are 5 years away, at best.
If you're 5 years away, that's the same as being 20 years away. That means you have no shot of competing with what is in your farm system now. The Pirates have a quicker timetable than that, best case scenario.
Also, the NL Central is not exactly a powerhouse division. The Brewers and Cardinals will both take a big step back. 85 games could win the Central, and while not LIKELY, the Pirates could conceivably win 85 games this year. They at least have a shot, on paper. But they are likely 2-3 years away.
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Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:36 pm to Baloo
Pirates challenge in 3 years, stay competitive for 2 seasons then sell half their team to Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Rangers, etc
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:39 pm to Baloo
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That means you have no shot of competing with what is in your farm system now. The Pirates have a quicker timetable than that, best case scenario.
they have a very young farm system, mostly stocked with young arms.. Not many good hitters, couple that below average MLB talent in the show right now, and it will probably take that long.
I mean McCutchen is a good start. But Alvarez hasn't shown anything. Neil Walker is OK. Pressley had a good month or so. But they still finished 18 games under .500, and 3 of their starting pitchers had career years. Like 3 really solid years.
No way they win 85 games. Reds/Cards/Brewers are still cream of the crop. Look at their pitching staffs. Each has 2 legit #1 starters, along with 2-3 other really solid starters.
Finish ahead of Cubs and Astros, that would be a good season for them
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:41 pm to Baloo
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If you're 5 years away, that's the same as being 20 years away. That means you have no shot of competing with what is in your farm system now. The Pirates have a quicker timetable than that, best case scenario.
Also, the NL Central is not exactly a powerhouse division. The Brewers and Cardinals will both take a big step back. 85 games could win the Central, and while not LIKELY, the Pirates could conceivably win 85 games this year. They at least have a shot, on paper. But they are likely 2-3 years away.
This is spot on! I think the Pirates are one of the great young teams out there. Absolutely nothing about their lineup, except McCutchen, is scary but they seem to play hard and with a want to be successful. I see good things for the pirates in the future, as long as they don't sell out to the big boys. Same goes for the Nats.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:42 pm to Tino
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So, now you are a Pirate's fan?
Life longer Pirates fan, bro
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:43 pm to Lester Earl
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Reds/Cards/Brewers
MAYBE the cards.. the Brewers just let go of their moneymaker, and in the mean time found out that Braun is on steroids. And I just don't see the Reds being in contention until they get a solid pitching staff. Their offense is damn near lethal, but their staff bleauxs!
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:45 pm to tkr1407
Latos
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
Oh, I certainly don't think the Pirates WILL win 85 games, but it's possible they could. They just need, quite literally, everything to go right.
but look at the core of the lineup -- McCuthceon, Walker, Alvarez, Tabata, Pressley -- that's five guys 25 years old or younger. While it's wishful thinking to think all five will put it together in the same year, its not unheard of.
They had four good pitchers all younger than 30, plus a loaded farm system. There still a few years off, but I think it's certainly closer than 5.
but look at the core of the lineup -- McCuthceon, Walker, Alvarez, Tabata, Pressley -- that's five guys 25 years old or younger. While it's wishful thinking to think all five will put it together in the same year, its not unheard of.
They had four good pitchers all younger than 30, plus a loaded farm system. There still a few years off, but I think it's certainly closer than 5.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:52 pm to Baloo
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still a few years off, but I think it's certainly closer than 5.
+1
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:53 pm to tkr1407
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I think the Pirates are one of the great young teams out there.
how can they be a great young team with only 1 great young player?
you mention the Nats, and that is a team with some super young talent.
just to compare
Ryan Zimmerman, 26
Wilson Ramos, 23
Danny Espinosa, 24
Tyler Clippared, 26
Jordan Zimmerman, 25
Stephen Strasburg, 22
Drew Storen, 23
not to mention guys like Harper & Rendon on the cusp. And 29 year old Mike Morse who had a great 2011.
compared that to the Pirates...
McCutchen, 24
....crickets.....
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:57 pm to tkr1407
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the Brewers just let go of their moneymaker
Greinke
Gallardo
Marcum
Wolf
is there a better 4 some of pitchers in the NL?
Even after losing Fielder, they still have the 3rd best offense in the division, maybe 2nd. And a strong 2 headed monster at the backend of their bullpen.
Reds vastly improved their bullpen, adding Sean Marshall and Ryan Madson. And added Mat Latos. What did the Pirates do again this offseason? lol.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 1:58 pm to Lester Earl
Oh, I agree the Nats have an even brighter future, especially if Strasburg can bounce back.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:01 pm to Baloo
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ut look at the core of the lineup -- McCuthceon, Walker, Alvarez, Tabata, Pressley -- that's five guys 25 years old or younger. While it's wishful thinking to think all five will put it together in the same year, its not unheard of.
Tabata and Alvarez, while both have shown flashes of potential, are in their lineup basically by default.
So in a sense, yes, they have some young players in their lineup, but they are hardly productive.
Neil Walker looks to be a solid MLB player. From what Ive seen of Presley he can be a Nate McClouth type. But he still has only played a month or 2 of pro ball.
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They had four good pitchers all younger than 30,
that is their key. 3 had career years, and really arent that talented. Do they build on it, or do their ERAs go back to 4.50? Basically its a group of #3/4 starters.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
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Mike Morse
Had him on my fantasy team, he is a beast! I'm afraid he won't be there much longer though.. If he keeps his production up, he's gonna want more money.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:08 pm to Lester Earl
I wasn't arguing for or against either team pirates/nats.
I think the nats will be post-season bound before the bucs will. I just think that the pirates are finally heading in the right direction again.
I think the nats will be post-season bound before the bucs will. I just think that the pirates are finally heading in the right direction again.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:12 pm to tkr1407
i know you weren't. its all good. I just dont think the Pirates are a super great young team. I think the Nats are. thats why i compared them.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
frick em all! 
I'm still and always will be about them Damn Yankees!!
I'm still and always will be about them Damn Yankees!!Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
Over half the lineup isn't "some". The Pirates really only started one old player, the emminently replaceable Lyle Overbay. This is a very young team. Tabata isn't in there by default, he just is what he is, a toolsy fast player. He's actually the sort of prospect I hate, but he's already as good as Juan Pierre. So there's that.
I don't think anyone is saying this team is great, but the Pirates have some reason for optimism, particularly when you look around their division. I think they can compete, though I agree that they probably won't.
I don't think anyone is saying this team is great, but the Pirates have some reason for optimism, particularly when you look around their division. I think they can compete, though I agree that they probably won't.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:20 pm to tkr1407
The mlb is the worst sport in America and perhaps the world. I dread the days it clogs ESPN radio with bullshite
Posted on 1/31/12 at 2:23 pm to Baloo
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I think they can compete, though I agree that they probably won't.
I don't neccessarily fully agree with this. I think that they have enough talent to keep them in the talk. I think that if they could just sustain for a whole season, I think they would be in a race for the NLC. They may not win it, but I think they could cause issues. They turned heads last year. Granted, it wasn't for an extended period of time, but I think they could surprise some people.
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