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re: Who will be the next athlete to redefine greatness.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:48 am to buganationHD
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:48 am to buganationHD
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redefine greatness.
wtf does this even mean? How is greatness now somehow "redefined" because of lebron?
Lebron is great. So are a bunch of other people in the league. Lebron just happens to be the best of the bunch, but it's not like the meaning of "great" has somehow changed.
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:50 am to Roger Klarvin
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We're all going to wake up one day and realize Rodgers was the best ever.
He has a ways to go to prove that, but he is very good. Brady gets far too much credit for team success while Peyton and Aaron don't get credit for not having all-world coaches. It has been proven Brady can do a lot less to win while Manning and Rodgers will absolutely lose in the playoffs if they don't play lights out.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:53 am to WG_Dawg
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but it's not like the meaning of "great" has somehow changed.
Sure it has, there are sports gods from the distant past who would be viewed as just average players today.
It's akin to the silliness of people saying Jim Thorpe was the greatest athlete ever, period. Thorpe was maybe the best athlete ever given the era he lived in, but he would look pedestrian compared to the likes of Bo Jackson, Lebron James, Deion Sanders, etc.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:57 am to WG_Dawg
quote:I think you may be just taking the term too literal.
wtf does this even mean? How is greatness now somehow "redefined" because of lebron?
We've never seen a 6'9" 270 lb player be this quick, agile, be able to shoot from distance, and pass the way he can.
We've never seen anything like it, that's where the "redefined" part comes into play. It's not really redefining the definition of greatness, but how one can be great.
Same with Michael, Magic, and so on...
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am to LeonPhelps
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Only because third world countries can play it with a goat's head for a ball and rocks to signify goal posts.
Shitt, the way things are going these days with ISIS in that part of the world, they are going to be playing with human heads.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am to LeonPhelps
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He has a ways to go to prove that
His only problem will be that he lost 2-3 good years sitting behind Favre, whereas guys like Luck, Brady and Manning were all stars within 18 months of being drafted.
Just looking at the data though, it seems obvious. His 2011 season was the greatest QB season ever. He finished the season with a QB rating of 123. That's fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to 21JumpStreet
quote:He's not even No. 1 in his respective class.
High school - Thon Maker basketball
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to buganationHD
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to buganationHD
Messi is doing it in Soccer.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:02 am to LeonPhelps
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It has been proven Brady can do a lot less to win while Manning and Rodgers will absolutely lose in the playoffs if they don't play lights out.
I can't remember alot of games where Manning didn't frick up his own chances of winning playoff games. Rodgers, imo can't stay healthy enough to have a conversation to be the best ever. He's won a SB, and he's got a great passer rating, but damn, dude is always hurt it seems. Stay healthy and do what Brady's done for as long and then we can crown him, or not.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:02 am to LeonPhelps
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Only because third world countries can play it with a goat's head for a ball and rocks to signify goal posts.
I didn't know England and Germany became third world countries.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:03 am to LeonPhelps
quote:Fair enough, but he's been appreciably better than every other QB for a while now, what is it 7 or 8 years?
He has a ways to go to prove that, but he is very good
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:05 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Messi is doing it in Soccer.
Agreed
I dislike soccer in general, but he is one of the best athletes I've ever seen.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:06 am to Kracka
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I can't remember alot of games where Manning didn't frick up his own chances of winning playoff games.
Manning has lost three playoff games with a QB rating over 100. I'm pretty sure Brady never has.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:07 am to Kracka
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dude is always hurt it seems
On the flip side, he was an onside kick away from taking his team to the Superbowl on one leg last year.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:08 am to buganationHD
Carlos Correa
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:12 am to shel311
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Fair enough, but he's been appreciably better than every other QB for a while now, what is it 7 or 8 years?
Statistically speaking yes he has. And he might be efficient as hell. BUT, at some point you have to ask yourself what does he have to show for it? Is one Title enough for you? It may not be for some, or a lot of people. Is one enough for you to say Peyton Manning is the GOAT? Why is Rodgers all the sudden and all time better player than Manning? Manning has better stats, a better record, more accomplishments....
I just think that Rodgers is going to have to accomplish more to get on Brady's level. I can't say that enough. Brady to me is the GOAT QB. Montana is a very close second.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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On the flip side, he was an onside kick away from taking his team to the Superbowl on one leg last year.
Maybe so, be he was also playing injured. So I think healthy, he might have that game out of reach for Seattle.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:15 am to Kracka
quote:For me, yes.
BUT, at some point you have to ask yourself what does he have to show for it? Is one Title enough for you?
Granted, he still woulda had to win 1 more game, but I don't fault him for the way the SEA game ended. I mean, Bostick holds onto the onside kick and Green Bay is playing in the SB and maybe he has another ring. That doesn't really bother me when I decide who I think is best.
quote:I've been saying it for a couple of years.
Why is Rodgers all the sudden and all time better player than Manning?
quote:Actually, ROdgers' stats are better.
Manning has better stats
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:16 am to Kracka
quote:Wouldn't that also be a reason why the SB rings would be a bit overstated?
Maybe so, be he was also playing injured. So I think healthy, he might have that game out of reach for Seattle
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