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re: Who should be ranked higher all time: D Wade or AI?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:40 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:40 pm to RonBurgundy
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Because all he did was gamble on defense leaving his man for his teammates to pick up.
He's the only one? I can think of plenty of PG's who do this...Rondo comes to mind.
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:43 pm to RonBurgundy
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except the fact that he put his best shooting year of his career AND played a full 82 games his first year in Denver.Probably his 3rd best year of his career.
No. Just, no.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:47 pm to NOSA
Well, scoring is by far the most important part of the game. It is good thing that his most prolific ability had a direct impact on wins and losses. Other stats matter a ton, but they do not have 100% correlation with win/loss records.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:52 pm to RonBurgundy
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this always is ignored when people say AI never played with anyone.
AI was 31 when he went to Denver. But even past his prime AI's FG% went up playing in Denver because he wasn't playing with absolute scrubs.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:56 pm to dukke v
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AI basically took Philly to the Finals in 2000 by himself
2001
His teammates only allowed 90 points per game that year. That had little to do with Iverson. The DPOY of the year was anchoring his defense AND he had the Sixth Man of the Year playing on his team. Not to mention Theo Ratliff tearing it up for most of that season (12/8/3.7 blocks) a game. Lock down defender George Lynch on the wing. Mutumbo also led the league in rebound rate that year. Larry Brown coached his arse off that year to allow one guy to take the shots and the others buy into it.
That team might not have a bunch of gaudy scorers, but they were loaded with team players.
Iverson led the league in USG% that year at a blistering 35.9% good for 3rd all time.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:57 pm to SabiDojo
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He's the only one? I can think of plenty of PG's who do this...Rondo comes to mind.
how is that relevant to the topic at hand?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 5:58 pm to SabiDojo
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No. Just, no.
great rebuttal, Chris.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:00 pm to RonBurgundy
I remember people arguing that all of Iverson's missed shots were a good thing because more likely than not Dikembe or Tyrone Hill would be there for the put back (Dik led the league in offensive rebounds and Hill was probably top 10).
This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:00 pm to RonBurgundy
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how is that relevant to the topic at hand?
Fine. It was a gamble? Well, at least it worked. The guy had over 2.5 steals per game for 3 consecutive seasons.
The guy was 6'0" tall! What did you want him to do? Force Jason Kidd to post him up?
You're REALLY going to complain about an undersized guard with incredible scoring ability and forcing turnover ability?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:01 pm to mattz1122
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I remember people arguing that all of Iverson's missed shots were a good thing because more likely than not Dikembe or Tyrone Hill would be there for the put back.
Ah, the "Kobe" argument.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:14 pm to SabiDojo
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He's the only one? I can think of plenty of PG's who do this...Rondo comes to mind.
Kobe(post Shaq), Magic, Bird, CP3, Barkley, Wade, Drexler, etc etc they all guarded the other teams worst offensive player and roamed for steals
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:20 pm to SabiDojo
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The guy had over 2.5 steals per game for 3 consecutive seasons.
But the success rate is still low when gambling for steals. It's the wrong basketball play. Secondly, leading the league in steals or not, he was actually not even the best "thief" on his team, George Lynch was( who had a higher steal%).
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The guy was 6'0" tall! What did you want him to do? Force Jason Kidd to post him up?
If you think Iverson was guarding anything close to the teams best offensive player you're fooling yourself.
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forcing turnover ability
There is a difference between forcing a turnover and getting a turnover. Great one on one d leads to turnover, gambling on defense is getting a turnover.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:23 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:that's deep.
There is a difference between forcing a turnover and getting a turnover. Great one on one d leads to turnover, gambling on defense is getting a turnover.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:25 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:29 pm to RonBurgundy
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But the success rate is still low when gambling for steals. It's the wrong basketball play. Secondly, leading the league in steals or not, he was actually not even the best "thief" on his team, George Lynch was( who had a higher steal%).
Dude AI did what 90% of superstar perimeter players do guard the other teams worst player and gamble. His job isn't to make the right basketball play that was the job of the scrubs he played with.
FYI Lynch played only 3 seasons on the 76ers
Posted on 5/18/13 at 7:14 pm to SabiDojo
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LINK
Serious clark? you're going to reference a you tube clip made by an iverson fan? Of course a clip that is going to highlight his success and not his failures.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 7:16 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Dude AI did what 90% of superstar perimeter players do guard the other teams worst player and gamble. His job isn't to make the right basketball play that was the job of the scrubs he played with.
Which is why he never won shite. Hell with AI being your primary ballhander(or co lead), even an All-Star squad doesn't win championship.
This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/18/13 at 7:54 pm to RonBurgundy
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Serious clark? you're going to reference a you tube clip made by an iverson fan? Of course a clip that is going to highlight his success and not his failures.
I was just illustrating his homerun ability on the defensive side of the ball (for lack of a better metaphor
). Was it risky? Of course, but it worked for him.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 8:25 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:the MSB, the gift that keeps on giving.
His job isn't to make the right basketball play
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