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re: Who is your NL MVP right now?

Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:41 pm to
They're okay, they have one of the best farm systems in the game and the move to use some of that youth is paying off big time.

Had it been done sooner they'd for sure get a WC.

But you can keep living in June if you want, the rest of us are in August.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:41 pm to
That 1 WAR not doing it for you?
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:42 pm to
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Had it been done sooner they'd for sure get a WC.


This is definitely the most factual thing said in this thread.
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:43 pm to
Nah I was just teasing the spelling. Was going to use the obligatory "that's racist".
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:43 pm to
Question... why do you think Votto got the nod for MVP over Pujols in 2010?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:45 pm to
Exactly, so why would an old system and former team from months ago imply how good or bad a team is currently?

Other than you not watching or knowing anything besides your admitted homering of the Cubs?



I'm not a believer that an MVP has to be on a playoff team in any sport, but generally they are and that's fine.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:45 pm to
Has a 1B ever won the MVP on a non-playoff team?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:46 pm to
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Question... why do you think Votto got the nod for MVP over Pujols in 2010?



Pujols won it the previous two years and 2010 was decent chunk behind those two seasons. He set a bar and then dropped it quite a bit almost across the board.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Schmelly
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:49 pm to
And nothing to do with cincy winning the division?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65807 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:50 pm to
Nothing? No. Some? Sure.

I would still say his 2010 season being a down year by quite a bit across the board from his back to back seasons made it easier to not give it to him 3 years in a row.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:50 pm to
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Has a 1B ever won the MVP on a non-playoff team?



Pujols in 2008
Ryan Howard 2006
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:52 pm to
It mighta been down fromhis previous 2 but it was every bit as good as Votto’s
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:53 pm to
I feel like this thread is asking who should win MVP, not who will, so I don’t really care about historical precedent. Historical precedent is pretty spotty for getting the most deserving candidate.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:53 pm to
Difference between a career year and a "down" year. Do you give it the guy who had a career year or a guy for a 3rd year in a row even though it was quite lower than the previous 2? Tough call.
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:54 pm to
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Exactly,


I wasn't being serious. That comment you made was made on complete and utter homerism. The Cardinals also don't have the very best farm system in baseball. Is it good? Sure. If the major league team was that great and in contention the FO would have probably traded a piece of two to get that player to put the big team over the hump though.

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so why would an old system and former team from months ago imply how good or bad a team is currently?
What are you talking about? Me referencing the Reds earlier? I was just pointing out that teams get hot for short periods of time. That's great if you think the Cardinals are a good team and have a legitimate chance of making the playoffs. I would make an extremely large wager with you that the Cardinals will not make the playoffs in 2018.

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Other than you not watching or knowing anything besides your admitted homering of the Cubs?

Ah, okay, so now you're just resorting to the old "you don't know shite about baseball" insult. Good argument.


quote:

I'm not a believer that an MVP has to be on a playoff team in any sport, but generally they are and that's fine.


No where did I come close to saying that it did.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14474 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:56 pm to
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I feel like this thread is asking who should win MVP, not who will, so I don’t really care about historical precedent. Historical precedent is pretty spotty for getting the most deserving candidate.


My argument is who would win today. Who will win is a stupid argument cause there’s too much baseball left. Right now is all that can really be argued. And if it ended today, Baez & Yelich are the only ones in the playoffs
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65807 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

The Cardinals also don't have the very best farm system in baseball.


quote:

one of the best

Selective reading is pretty shitty.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14474 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:57 pm to
Well, when it’s that close...you give to the guy on the better team. That’s what would happen today lol. Don’t get me wrong, if y’all come back, Carpenter will prolly win
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
5276 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:58 pm to
Yeah ok, my mistake, I thought you said the best farm system and I definitely didn't go back to re-read your post.

You've made such compelling arguments it's really hard to believe that I didn't go back and re-read.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65807 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:58 pm to
Votto had a higher batting average, OBP, slugging % and OPS. Not the case here.
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