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re: Who is the greatest golfer ever: Tiger or Jack?

Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:42 pm to
Found this as well:

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Driver: King Cobra . Specs: 43.625’’, x100, 8.5 deg, D3


43.625" driver. I have mine cut down to 43 and everyone always asks me why it's so short. That's another way driver distance has greatly increased as guys are hitting 46" shafts.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:43 pm to
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Tiger won 8 majors post 2001.....

Was Player insinuating he wouldnt have gotten injured?

He was saying that Tiger's large gap without winning a major never would have happened. He went 3 years from the 2002 US Open to the 2005 Masters. That was right after he won 7 of 11 majors. He said he thinks Tiger received too much coaching and spoke of players like Arnold and others that didn't necessarily have the most ideal swings but it worked for them. He said that the teachers ahd were good but Tiger was in such another universe as far as natural talent that he believes someone trying to change that swing was a detriment to him. I'm not saying he's 100% right or wrong, but just wanted to provide a take from someone who's been around a long time and seen Bobby Jones, Jack, Arnold, Hogan etc play. He also said he believes Hogan was the best ball striker of all time.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:45 pm to
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He went 3 years from the 2002 US Open to the 2005 Masters.
True, but he then won 6 of the next 10 majors with that swing
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:47 pm to
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True, but he then won 6 of the next 10 majors with that swing

Well his point was that Tiger had to go through years of growing pains trying to learn a new swing when it wasn't even necessary. At that point in his career he had no health or off the course issues to deal with. So he wasted 3 years of his prime trying to perfect something that was basically already perfect. Tiger's personality just wouldn't let him settle. He always thought he could be better, which in his case, he was really just trying to outdo himself. Again not saying I agree or disagree with him. I do think tiger may have cost himself a few majors. 20+? Eh, that's probably a bit of a stretch.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:48 pm to
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Comparing the two when both have their A+ games: Tiger >> Jack

Jack has said as much on numerous occasions.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:52 pm to
18>14
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:52 pm to
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True.

This is what tiger used in 1997





And his irons with Nike and what he uses now aren't all that different either. they were actually designed that way on purpose

His Nike irons


The prototype irons he uses currently




Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:55 pm to
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I was watching a documentary on the British Open and Tiger was the first Episode. Tiger won 4 majors with Jack playing in them as he was retiring.
Jack is 36 years older than Tiger. When Tiger came on the tour in 1996, Jack was 56 years old. That's 10 years AFTER his miraculous win at Augusta in 1986.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61921 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:56 pm to
Are they still made by Mizuno?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:59 pm to
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18>14

Reducing this argument to simply majors won is very short-sighted. Tiger has also won 79 PGA tour events to Jack's 73. Tiger has won 139 events worldwide. Jack won 109 (not including his 8 on the senior tour).

Tiger also won the world junior amatuer in 1984,85,86,87,88,89, and 90. He won the US Junior Amatuer in 1991, 1992, and 1993. And he won the US Amatuer in 1994, 1995, and 1996 (also won the NCAA individual title in 1996). So Tiger was the best in the world at his age group from 1984-1996. That is simply incredible.

Jack did win the US Amatuer and NCAA Title in 1961 and they didn't have all the other junior amatuer titles like they did when Tiger played, but the level of dominance Tiger has had since he was 9 years old is unprecedented
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:00 pm to
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Jack is 36 years older than Tiger. When Tiger came on the tour in 1996, Jack was 56 years old. That's 10 years AFTER his miraculous win at Augusta in 1986.


I think you're misunderstanding his post because you haven't seen the documentary. What Tiger said in the doc was that Jack had 4 different fairwell tournaments at majors he played in and Tiger happened to win every time Jack did this. He said all Jack needs to do is unretire and play again in 4 more fairwell majors and he will break his record. It was, more or less, a joke and just a strange coincidence
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:01 pm to
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Jack is 36 years older than Tiger. When Tiger came on the tour in 1996, Jack was 56 years old. That's 10 years AFTER his miraculous win at Augusta in 1986.


The 86 Masters was Jack's last PGA win.

If you take away every other start Jack had from 1987 until he retired, Tiger's winning percentage is still better than Jack's.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Are they still made by Mizuno?

Tiger made Nike design his clubs to be like his Mizuno clubs he used prior. I have no idea who makes his TGR prototype irons now but as you can tell they are designed to be just like what he has always hit. Just like his Nike putter was designed to be like his scotty cameron





Tiger has always been very stubborn and particular about his equipment. It wasn't until this year that he finally started using lighter weight shafts on his Driver like everyone else has been using for years.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65435 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:06 pm to
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I think you're misunderstanding his post because you haven't seen the documentary. What Tiger said in the doc was that Jack had 4 different fairwell tournaments at majors he played in and Tiger happened to win every time Jack did this. He said all Jack needs to do is unretire and play again in 4 more majors and he will break his record. It was, more or less, a joke and just a strange coincidence
Ah, got it. That's funny.
Posted by David Ricky
Hailing From Parts Unknown
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:08 pm to
Here's his bag from 97



I lol at the thought of hitting a stainless steel driver with a steel shaft nowadays
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:09 pm to
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I lol at the thought of hitting a stainless steel driver with a steel shaft nowadays

One of my buddies actually has one and I was like no wonder you hate your driver
Posted by David Ricky
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:16 pm to
Thats what I learned to play golf with when I was about 12 or 13. My dad made sure I was going to stick with the game before he shelled out for some nice clubs, so he gave me his hand me downs. I had a Taylormade steel driver w/ a steel shaft that looks smaller than my current 3wood, a Ping persimmon 3wood with a steel shaft and some knock off King Snake irons and all of it looked like it came out of 1982 lol
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71301 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:19 pm to
My first set of golf clubs were given to me from my grandfather. All my woods were...wooden with steel shafts. And I'm only 33 years old. Wooden clubs were definitely not standard or even made anymore when I started playing. But I'll tell you what, the feel of a flushly hit drive with a wooden driver feels so much better and more gratifying than modern drivers by a long shot. Sadly, my wooden three wood bit the dust when I was a teenager on the driving range. The head literally exploded into pieces. That was a sign that i probably needed to upgrade my equipment. But shite, when I was really learning to play and was terrible hitting irons consistently, I had a 4, 5, and 7 wood that I could choke up on and do basically anything with them. I almost made a hole in one with a choked up 7 wood into a pin about 170 yards away when I was 14 or 15
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
1904 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:21 pm to
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flushly hit drive with a wooden driver feels so much better and more gratifying than modern drivers by a long shot.


agreed, same for forged blades. You can't replicate the feel of one middled.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61921 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:24 pm to
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My first set of golf clubs were given to me from my grandfather.


Same, but it was my Dad's hand me downs. He was too cheap to get them fitted, so pretty much the only club I could hit was a 7 iron. I learned how to flight the ball and control distance though. A couple times a year I'll actually go play a round with a 7 iron and a putter, teeing off from the red tees. It's a lot of fun/nostalgic.
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