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re: Who has the better Kelly. ND or Oregon?
Posted on 9/29/10 at 8:07 pm to bayoujd
Posted on 9/29/10 at 8:07 pm to bayoujd
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I do prefer Chip's version of the spread (more run based) to Brian's (more pass based).
Its going to be even more fun to watch now that they are consistently getting good classes.
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Posted on 9/29/10 at 8:44 pm to bayoujd
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Maybe, but were the Ducks players recruited for Chip's systems - both offense
He took over as OC in 2007 and didnt handpick a single offensive player and made everyone forget how shitty Crowton was like that. His system is different from Crowton's albeit it was a spread offense. If Dennis Dixon doesn't blow his knee out who knows where they would have gone. The defense didn't change although he brought in his own D-line coach after he became the head coach.
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in addition to player development.
Oregon has developed well and worked with less than most of the better programs in the top 25. Chip Kelly probably has a better staff as well and several of them have been around before Oregon was even a program so that stability has helped Chip quite a bit I am sure.
eta.....Sounds to me like Brian Kelly needs to adapt to what he has right now. Also sounds like ND's AD has no one else to blame but themselves for the fall they have taken even though they have very capable athletes.
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:23 pm to LSUintheNW
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Sounds to me like Brian Kelly needs to adapt to what he has right now. Also sounds like ND's AD has no one else to blame but themselves for the fall they have taken even though they have very capable athletes.
I love this.
Jim Tressel went 7-5 in his first year. He had talent.
Bob Stoops went 7-5 his first year. He had talent.
Pete Carroll went 6-6 his first year. He had talent.
Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year. He had talent.
And (a little ancient, but perhaps the most applicable, since we're talking about the same school) Lou Holtz went 5-6 his first year. He had talent.
Each of these coaches won a National Championship within their first three seasons at these schools. Yet each struggled mightily in their first season. The talent was obviously there (since all of them won a NC in either their 2nd or 3rd seasons). So why was that first year bad?
1) It takes time to fully implement your system, and
2) It takes time to develop a winning culture
It will happen with Kelly like it did these coaches (maybe not on the NC front, but at least in BCS appearances).
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:46 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year. He had talent
Not even close to the same level Kelly has right now.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:48 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year. He had talent
Not even close to the same level Kelly has right now
I don't think Pete Carroll had as much either.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 2:01 am to NHTIGER
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New Hampshire born, bred and educated, played at UNH and was OC there before going to Oregon
Looks like he is in the "New Hampshire Mafia" with Dan Mullen
Mullen, along with LSU Offensive Coordinator Gary Crowton and University of Oregon Head Coach Chip Kelly, are part of the so-called "New Hampshire mafia" as they all have strong connections to New Hampshire.[4]
Posted on 9/30/10 at 3:46 am to Muahahaha
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Wow, he has not even had time to get his players in. He need at leas 3 years to get things fully turned around
Holy shite. He inherited more talent at ND than Chip has at Oregon. Brian Kelly coached an overrated Cincy team. The big boys will bring him down to earth. If by "his players" you mean a bunch of 2 and 3 stars like he had at Cincy, I can agree with that.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:05 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Not even close to the same level Kelly has right now.
Who were the freshmen that dominated on that 08 team that won the SEC West and made a BCS bowl? I see newcomers in 08, according to rivals, were Ingram (made OK production his frosh year, not even close to last year's), Julio Jones, Hightower (no idea if he played a lot in 08), Marcel Dareus (ditto), and Mt. Cody. There were two 5*'s besides Jones, Tyler Love and Burton Scott, neither name rings a bell (but I'm not an expert on Bama football).
From 04-07, Bama had class rankings anywhere from 10th-18th. That doesn't sound like that should be a team that goes 7-6 and loses to ULM at home.
What talent does Kelly have now? He basically has three talented offensive players: Crist, Floyd, and Rudolph and one talented defensive player: Teo. That's pretty much it. I wouldn't put Allen in that class. I don't think there's anyone on the lines that are that class, though Ethan Johnson the DE is pretty good. But maybe they got high rankings, I just don't think there's quite as much talent as people think.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:08 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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I just don't think there's quite as much talent as people think.
Can't have it both ways jr. At the start of the year you were raving about ND's talent. How they were going to rout Mich and all that. All of a sudden since ND is crashing you are making excuses.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Brian Kelly coached an overrated Cincy team.
That team lost 6 games in 3 years under him. They've already lost 4 in just 5 games without him.
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If by "his players" you mean a bunch of 2 and 3 stars like he had at Cincy, I can agree with that.
So if he won with 2 and 3, why won't he win with 4 and 5?
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:11 am to dukke v
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Can't have it both ways jr. At the start of the year you were raving about ND's talent.
I think there's raw talent. I guess I should say I don't think there are "football players" yet. There are lots of guys who's game is flawed and needs tweaking and who still don't really know how to win (and even those 4 I mentioned still need to learn how to win). Those four guys are really the only "football players" ND has, though. Just like all the coaches above had "talent" but not "football players". That takes a year or two to develop.
I do think ND will finish 6-2, though, in all honesty. We'll find out.
This post was edited on 9/30/10 at 9:12 am
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:14 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Not even close to the same level Kelly has right now.
Really? Bama's 2007 team had 5 returning starters on the OL including Andre Smith and Caldwell. They were much better along the OL and DL than ND is right now. Plus, Bama's RBs were better in Coffee and Upchurch.
I've watched ND play, and while I see a 2 NFL skill players - Floyd and Rudolph - I see very limited talent along the most important areas of a team (OL and DL). Not sure if any of those guys are NFL talents. Who do you like on ND's offensive and defensive lines, because that's where there struggles are?
Poor talent along the OL and DL is a big reason why Weis failed, and why this ND team is so mediocre.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:28 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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I do think ND will finish 6-2, though, in all honesty
5-3 at best. And I am reaching there.
Posted on 9/30/10 at 10:00 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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From 04-07, Bama had class rankings anywhere from 10th-18th. That doesn't sound like that should be a team that goes 7-6 and loses to ULM at home.
No if you play in the SEC should never lose to ULM at home, much less if your Alabama. Though I did love seeing them lose.
But the classes that were getting a lot of playing time, 04-05, during that year hadnt panned out like expected. No 5 star recruits during those years and the few 4 stars werent that spectacular. And they were pretty weak at the skill positions outside of RB. And Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson was their QB.
Side note: I went to the Indy bowl that year, sitting in the Bama section, with a sign that read "it's ok bama, you can have nick saban... we'd rather play in the national championship". I almost got into a fight with a 50 year old in the parking lot.
Anyways, i'm not judging B. Kelly at all based off of this year. It's hard to win in your first year at a new school. I just for some reason expected him to be doing better.
edit: at the time my sign held some weight
This post was edited on 9/30/10 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/30/10 at 10:02 am to iwyLSUiwy
pretty much agree with others, ND has elite talent at the skill positions, but along the DL they are nothing but plodders.
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