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re: Who else here wants the current bcs system to stay in place
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:35 am to SpqrTiger
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:35 am to SpqrTiger
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SpgrTiger
1. A playoff would undoubtedly match the two best teams.
2.The regular season would not be diminished. If you had the top 8 teams in a playoff, you would still have to play good enough to finish in the top 8 which means no more than 1 or 2 losses(which is good enough for BCS NC some years so why not playoff). If anything the BCS takes away from the regular season because you lose a couple games and your NC hopes are shot and your playing for nothing.
3. All the winners of the 32 bowl games go home happy? seriously? Auburn in '04 went home happy? TCU, Boise and Cincy will go home happy if they win their bowl games this year? That is a complete joke.
4. controversy about who top 2 teams are is worse than controversy over who the 8th or 16th best team is. End of discussion its quantitative fact.
5. The win-at-all costs mentality is amplified when only 2 teams get a shot at the title at the end of the year not by allowing more teams the chance. How thats not obvious to you is beyond me.
6."Why would you trust a poll or committee to have any more integrity in choosing which teams get into the playoffs than the polls which determine who goes into the BCS?"
see #4(again this is quantitative fact)
7.academic standards...lol. Football players already miss less class than most other sports. Not to mention the NCAA has added 2 extra games to the schedule over the last, what, 10 years. The NC is now played a week later than it use to. This argument has be debunked already, over and over again. take way those 2 extra cupcake games LSU plays every year and add 2 playoff games. Not to mention only 16 or 8 teams would be playing the extra games.
Again this is to say nothing of the loss revenue the universities miss out on by outsourcing their most profitable product, post season football.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:35 am to tigerfoot
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When did Cincy beat anyone in a BCS bowl. They got shelled last time they stepped on a field with a barely top 20 VT team in the Orange. Boise, really. Really. Who do they play. Hell Tech played a tougher schedule.
Right. Non-BCS schools can't beat BCS schools.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 11:36 am
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:35 am to As RXd
How could a playoff system be implemented when the same number of bye weeks for each team can't be implemeted?
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:36 am to JETigER
ask all other divisions of college football and all other sports on earth.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:41 am to JustSmokin
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Right. Every sport on earth has it wrong.
What about conference champions, isnt that what every sport also does?
What about 64?
How many football leagues select 64, you are wanting what every other college sport does. Lets see, do you really want to see
Texas v Bowling Green
or
Bama v Southern Miss
Do these games REALLY help decide a champion, except for breaking Ingrams leg and REALLY showing the best TEAM in 2009.
Or the other games that a 64 team field would produce (your argument, not mine)
Stanford versus UNC.....which one goes ALL THE WAY
OR
UTAH v Ole Miss.
Remember what da UTES did last year....they could and should deserve a shot at running the table.
We will have a national champion crowned in time for St Patricks Day.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:36 pm to tigerfoot
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How many football leagues select 64, you are wanting what every other college sport does. Lets see, do you really want to see
This may come as a shock to you, but there are playoffs out there that don't include 64 teams.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:41 pm to JustSmokin
First of all with a playoff all the games can not be neutral site. It would have to be like the nfl playoffs where the higher seed gets a home game.
2nd thing is they have to somehow keep the bowls intact.
3rd they need to get the all the conferences to have a championship game or no championship games.
4th determine if there would be automatic qualifiers for winning your conference.
2nd thing is they have to somehow keep the bowls intact.
3rd they need to get the all the conferences to have a championship game or no championship games.
4th determine if there would be automatic qualifiers for winning your conference.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:50 pm to As RXd
I may be in the minority, but I am OK with the BCS as it is. Hell, I liked the old conference tie-in system where it seemed like the Sugar, Rose, and Orange all had MNC implications riding on them in a single year. Made for an exciting Jan. 1st. If a playoff is put in place, I dont think it should be any more than 8 teams.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:51 pm to JustSmokin
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This may come as a shock to you, but there are playoffs out there that don't include 64 teams.
This may come as a shock to you, but the OP indicated that there was a playoff in EVERY other sport.
Major team sports within the NCAA generally have 64.
But we can differ if you like,
Now, list how many teams you think it should be, and I guarantee it will open up more and more debate than the current system as to who is in or out.
I know this, LSU loses to Washington first game of the season, and most probably we are out of the Title Hunt. In any other playoff scenarios, the impact of the loss is lessened. Therefore, reducing the excitement of even the earliest games of the season.
I like the excitement of knowing if you lose, you are really close to done.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:57 pm to tigerfoot
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Major team sports within the NCAA generally have 64.
They didn't start with 64 teams, they expanded over the years. Basketball started with 8 teams. FCS has 16 teams today.
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I like the excitement of knowing if you lose, you are really close to done.
We're going to disagree. Not many things beats March Madness or the NFL playoffs. The NCAA doesn't recognize a college football champion.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:57 pm to tigerfoot
Im sorta neutral on the whole playoff thing because if a playoff started I wouldn't want Lsu in the sec. A playoff also would make bowl games seem even more insignificant.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:59 pm to JustSmokin
Love the BCS..It would solve itself if they just got rid of the stupid conference ties to them..
Posted on 12/11/09 at 12:59 pm to JustSmokin
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Not many things beats March Madness or the NFL playoffs.
Except almost every week of college football
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:01 pm to tigerfoot
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Except almost every week of college football
TV ratings would disagree with you.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:10 pm to SpqrTiger
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More often than not, the two teams that should be playing for the title are indeed playing for the title. There were a couple of years where there was controversy ('03 and '04), but it beats the hell out of the old bowl system,
Nobody's arguing for the old bowl system. The question is BCS vs. a playoff. Anything would be better than the old bowl system, but that says nothing about why the BCS is better than a playoff...well, actually a larger playoff, since the BCS is, technically, a playoff. You are arguing with a straw man here.
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A playoff would diminish the importance of the regular season. This is a fact. Don't even try to argue it.
No, it's only a fact if the playoff field is too big or includes too many at-large teams. If you had only a four- or eight-team playoff, then it would be very risky to lose even one regular season game, as a team would face the strong possibility of finishing outside the top four or eight. Alternatively, if you gave an automatic berth to every conference champion and had no at-large berths, then every conference game would still have huge implications. It is entirely possible to preserve the importance of the regular season without ruining the sport by having no legitimate champion.
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In the current bowl system, all of the winners of the 32 or so bowls go home happy at the end of the season. In the playoffs, one team is happy at the end of the season. Only one.
First of all, bullshite. You weren't happy at the end of the 2006 basketball season? The 2008 baseball season? Secondly, even if your point weren't complete bullshite, so the frick what? Who cares if North Texas is happy about winning the New Orleans Bowl? Finally, unless you have a 64-team playoff that wiped out every single bowl out there, which NOBODY is suggesting, you'd still have a bowl system which would include the teams who don't make the playoffs. The precious little snowflakes could still beat their chests after going 6-6 and winning the Independence Bowl.
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As many people have stated previously, even in a 16 team playoff, there will be 3-4 teams arguing that they should have had a shot at the playoffs,
But a team that fails to make the top 8 or 16, or fails to win its conference title, has very little credibility arguing that it was the best team in the country. Remember, the point of a playoff is to make sure you get the BEST team in it (by including enough teams to practically insure it), while preserving the likelihood that the best team will win once it gets there (by not including too many teams, which would increase the chances of a random upset knocking off the best team). It doesn't matter whether the 14th best team gets left out of a 16-team playoff. It only matters whether the BEST team is left out of whatever playoff you have. With only two teams, it's very likely that the best team may be left out. With more teams, that likelihood decreases.
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The win-at-all-costs mentality would become even more pervasive throughout college football than it is now. With only one team happy at the end, remember... the pressure to win will be greater than ever. If you're a major college power who keeps finishing 2nd or 3rd in a playoff system, the temptation to cheat and the meddling of boosters with money will be off the charts. Coaches will be fired left and right.
bullshite. There'd be no more pressure to win championships than there already is. And your point about only one team being happy has already been dismissed above. And coaches getting fired? Oh my God! Let's hope THAT never happens!
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Why would you trust a poll or committee to have any more integrity in choosing which teams get into the playoffs than the polls which determine who goes into the BCS?
I wouldn't, but integrity isn't the only issue with polls and committees. It's hard to distinguish between teams that are very close together, and any committee or poll has a strong potential to get it wrong. That's why it's important that those close calls occur between the 7th, 8th and 9th or 15th, 16th and 17th best teams and not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best teams, or that the process be completely out of the hands of polls and committees, for instance by just including all the conference champions.
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Realizing that academic standards and performance is already a joke, how much more of joke would it be when the playoffs drag college football's season well into January?
First of all, there's no need to do that. Secondly, how is it that all other sports in college athletics, including all other divisions of football, find a way to do it?
I've seen a lot of arguments against a playoff, including all of the ones you made above. All of the ones you made have been long-since repudiated, and are amazingly unoriginal and poorly thought out.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:13 pm to Nuts4LSU
OOC scheduling would become a joke in the Sec if a playoff was implemented.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:14 pm to JustSmokin
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TV ratings would disagree with you.
You've got to be joking, right? NCAA football is the second most popular sport. Right behind the NFL.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:14 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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OOC scheduling would become a joke
Can't get any worse than playing USL, LaTech and Tulane in same year.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:16 pm to JustSmokin
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Can't get any worse than playing USL, LaTech and Tulane in same year.
Just imagine every team in the sec with a Usl Tulane and some div 2 school for ooc every year.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 1:16 pm to JustSmokin
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Can't get any worse than playing USL, LaTech and Tulane in same year.
Wanna bet?
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