re: Whats up with all the Mahomes/Brady GOAT comparisons.

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Saying he won’t be GOAT because he won’t get 7 rings is idiotic

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Sure, but having that opinion also isn’t “doubting”Mahommes.

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Sure, but having that opinion also isn’t “doubting”Mahommes.

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Ok fake enough. Having that opinion makes one a retard that hopefully doesn’t add to the gene pool

Fair enough?

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Race absolutely plays a PART in this. You cant be serious right? The very reason we are having this ridiculous conversation is not only because of Patrick Mahomes accomplishments thus far, but also because he is a black QB with those accomplishments

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Sometimes I can’t even believe what I’m seeing on this board

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It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t get 7 as long as he gets a couple more rings and keeps breaking records and winning mvps he’ll be no.1

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new thinking

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For any QB in history you chose, go cherry pick their best 3 seasons and post the averages and compare to Mahomes first and ONLY 3 seasons :

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I just took a look at this for Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and Brees using their top 3 seasons by QB rating out of curiosity.

It is not kind to Brady for being the "undisputed GOAT and greatest sportsman across all sports" per the MSB.

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Greatest ever over a career? Nah, clearly not yet

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That’s what I thought were we getting at

Greatest of all time ?

Mahomes isn’t that

Physically Mahomes will hit a peak, probably in 5-6 years if not a touch sooner, and won't be able to do the same things he can do now. He will still be very good, but Brady's longevity is largely a product of his lack of mobility.

Everything about Patrick Mahomes career is about him "also being Black". These aren't my words. This is what i am talking about. Patrick Mahomes race absolutely has a PART in this discussion about him being the GOAT. I dont know whats so hard to understand about this? The media WANTS you to know that Patrick Mahomes is black, along with all his other accomplishments. In my opinion, i believe this is one of the underlying reasons this conversation has been forced down our throats.


Kansas City Star: Black Man as the Face of the NFL

Fox4KC: First Black QB to Win Multiple Super Bowls

The Undefeated

NBC: Black Quarterbacks Have Arrived

Here it is

Bradys cherry picked best 3 seasons out of his 21 year career(I used 2007, 2011, and 2017 for reference)

67%--304 yards/g--6.8 td%--1.6 int%--108.4 passer rating

Compared to Mahomes first and only 3 seasons

66%—307.7 yrds/game—6.8 td%—1.4 int %—108.7 rating


That is fricking insane. So for those wondering why he is coming up in GOAT conversation, that is why. That is fricking insane

If a basketball players first 3 seasons were equal to Jordans best ever 3 seasons, people would freak

If a hitters first ever 3 seasons were equal to Bonds best ever 3 seasons, people would freak


Its unheard of in sports history across all sports what he has done

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He has absolutely already played QB at a higher level then anyone in history

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Maybe. Or even probably. There’s certainly an argument for Manning a few years, Rodgers a few, and Brady for one (and I know you drop some stats in a later post, but if you’re being intellectually honest, there are other variables that could have contributed to relatively small statistical differences in those peak seasons).

But I will concede nobody may have ever played QB better than Mahomes in 2018. But you know that’s not how the GOAT is ever truly discussed. It’s that peak level of play combined with both individual and team accomplishments combined with counting stats. You may disagree with the “formula,” but you can’t disagree that it exists when discussing the GOAT.

And the longer anybody’s career is, the more damage they typically do to their legacy in the terms you’re talking about. Sandy Kofax, Gale Sayers, your boy Bjorn Borg, all benefitted by retiring early at their peak when we’re talking highest level of play like you are. The big 3 tennis guys—especially Novak—have probably ended this for the most part, but you wouldn’t have to go back too many years for people to have been making a Borg GOAT argument. What if Maddux had retired in ‘96? Or Pedro in ‘02? Kershaw in ‘14? You know what I’m saying.

And this discussion really has nothing to do with Mahomes anyway, whom I like better anyway. It’s about the almost-impossible career Brady has had in the salary cap era of today’s NFL. We’re still too close to it to really even appreciate it. 50 years from now, people will say, “that guy did what?”