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re: What will this years excuse be to put in an undeserving team into CFP?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 3:00 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 8/13/18 at 3:00 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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LSU wouldn't have gotten a rematch in 2011, so no.
Inferiority complex much? Alabama didn't get the rematch because they were Alabama, Alabama got the rematch because of the power of the SEC. At that point in time, Alabama had ONE national championship under Nick Saban. The dynasty was just beginning, so our name held just as much weight at that time as LSU's.
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You must not have been posting here when the Media was working to change the rules in 2003 so another darling, USC, could "win" despite not meeting the expectations of the system laid out at the time.
USC belonged in that game with LSU, bruh. I'm sorry but that's just truth. Going into the BCS Selection Show they were ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches Poll and had been ranked #2 in the BCS going into the final week of the season. If it hadn't been for the Coaches Poll being contractually obligated to select the BCS National Champion #1 in their final poll, USC would have finished #1 in both major polls.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 3:44 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm sorry but that's just truth.
That's one version of it.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's one version of it.
It's the only version of it. Kansas State straight up massacred Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship Game. They lost by four touchdowns yet, on Monday or Tuesday (whenever the Selection Show was) they were put into the big game while USC (who was ranked #1 in both major polls) was left out. What sense does that make?
The 2004 Sugar Bowl should have been #1 USC vs. #2 LSU. OU should have gotten the shaft after their beyond poor performance in the Big 12 Championship Game.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:31 pm to RollTide1987
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It's the only version of it.
It's your only version of it.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:37 pm to sms151t
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Actually they didn’t, that was just last 2 years ESPN and Hocutt pushed that narrative
I won't get too deep into this because I don't feel like finding evidence, but I will say before 2014 I distinctly remember one of the heads of the CFBP was asked and said it was possible and that like the BCS they were looking for the best teams. Maybe I'm remember wrong, so I'll just leave it at that.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:58 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Jeff Long did say it but he prefaced it by saying it was an extreme circumstance and he felt it would never happen
Long also said that championships were absolutely a criteria
Long also said that championships were absolutely a criteria
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:01 pm to sms151t
this is why a playoff is a bad idea. There's not ever really more than 3 teams who truly deserve a shot at the NC, yet you end up with this 4th spot that goes to some undeserving school and makes the 5th, 6th, and 7th teams feel cheated. Next we'll have an 8 team playoff and exponentially more teams will feel cheated, and on and on and on. It will never end.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
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LSU wouldn't have gotten a rematch in 2011, so no.
Inferiority complex much? Alabama didn't get the rematch because they were Alabama, Alabama got the rematch because of the power of the SEC. At that point in time, Alabama had ONE national championship under Nick Saban. The dynasty was just beginning, so our name held just as much weight at that time as LSU's.
Alabama got the rematch because of process of elimination relative to the other top 5-10 teams that occurred subsequent to that game and, lets be honest, Alabama lost by only 3 points to the no. 1 ranked team in overtime, by a score of 9-6, and, if not for their ineptitude in the kicking game, would've won that game and the argument would've fundamentally shifted to concerning LSU not Alabama. Think about this: subsequent to that "Game of the Century," Stanford lost, OK State lost, Oregon lost, Oklahoma lost, Michigan lost THAT VERY SAME WEEK to Iowa when they only had 1 loss (they finished 2011 11-2 cumulatively), and Arkansas lost the final week of the season TO US when they were ranked #3. All Alabama had to do was TCB and let the bodies float by in the Championship Chase and thats what they done did and it procured that rematch for the natty.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:09 pm to ThePTExperience1969
2011 was bad because people were looking at who had the "best loss" as opposed to who earner their win in order to put the team they wanted to be in the game, in the game. It was arse backward.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:16 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:That game did count.
That is how it was supposed to work when "every game counts".
Everyone got to see that Alabama was a very good football team and ALMOST as good as the #1 team in the country, the LSU Tigers.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:24 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:So what you're saying is Alabama was completely out of the race after losing by 3 points in OT to the #1 team in the country? All those other teams had to do was take care of business smh.
Think about this: subsequent to that "Game of the Century," Stanford lost, OK State lost, Oregon lost, Oklahoma lost, Michigan lost THAT VERY SAME WEEK to Iowa when they only had 1 loss (they finished 2011 11-2 cumulatively), and Arkansas lost the final week of the season TO US when they were ranked #3
Also, I REALLY don't understand how people are so against quality of loss being a factor. It seems logical to weigh losses very heavily to me..
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:34 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I REALLY don't understand how people are so against quality of loss being a factor
I'm not against it being a factor, but it should not be the driving force. Show me what you did to earn your way in first.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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2011 was bad because people were looking at who had the "best loss" as opposed to who earner their win in order to put the team they wanted to be in the game, in the game. It was arse backward.
Alabama still had the better resume. Beating #6 by 24 > beating #8 by 7.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
When 6 win teams are good enough to beat you, you don't deserve a spot in a playoff or championship game.
Especially when the team you're being compared to only has 1 loss to the #1 team in America by 3 in OT.
Same Alabama fans wouldn't complain about getting left out if the roles were reversed and Alabama lost to Kentucky or someone late in November and Ok St's only loss was to the #1 team in the country by 3 in OT.
Especially when the team you're being compared to only has 1 loss to the #1 team in America by 3 in OT.
Same Alabama fans wouldn't complain about getting left out if the roles were reversed and Alabama lost to Kentucky or someone late in November and Ok St's only loss was to the #1 team in the country by 3 in OT.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:45 pm to sms151t
Let's not forget that it was the SEC commish who proposed a +1 for the BCS back in 08. Only the ACC commish supported though. Everyone cried about an all-SEC title game and now we're stuck with a 12 person committee of kangaroos.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
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When 6 win teams are good enough to beat you, you don't deserve a spot in a playoff or championship game.
Especially when the team you're being compared to only has 1 loss to the #1 team in America by 3 in OT.
Same Alabama fans wouldn't complain about getting left out if the roles were reversed and Alabama lost to Kentucky or someone late in November and Ok St's only loss was to the #1 team in the country by 3 in OT.
People only had a problem because it was Saban/Bama/the SEC. The shite had already happened not once but twice in 01 and 03.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:49 pm to ReauxlTide222
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When 6 win teams are good enough to beat you, you don't deserve a spot in a playoff or championship game.
Who has the best wins should count more than who has the least bad loss, there's nothing you can say that's going to change my mind about that.
and further whats worse is people making up their minds about who they want in the game first and then picking and choosing which stats they want to emphasize vs the ones they want to ignore.
there should be standardized criteria that are applied the determine who is the most deserving to be in and that should be the end of it. Will never happen though because it's a tv show first and a sport second.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:52 pm to Korin
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People only had a problem because it was Saban/Bama/the SEC.
No
LSU was a little unlucky in 2011 but also got lucky to get in in 2007 and (to a lesser extent) in 2003 as well. All in all for as good as we were for a 15 year period to come out of it with 2 NCs in 3 appearances and 4 SEC titles in 5 appearances is pretty fair.
This is about how infurating it is to see people move the goalposts from season to season and in other times week to week in order to fit their agenda of what they want the end result to be.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The only thing about 2011 that bugs me is how Bama fans dismiss what happens to that oSu team night before the game. They were asked if they wanted to play or wait. Grundy said go ahead but Bama fans act like it was no big deal.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I don't necessarily disagree. I just don't think you can lose to a team THAT bad. Every team in the country doesn't play great teams, or the same amount. But dammit, they all play shite teams and you can't lose to them.
Who has the best wins should count more than who has the least bad loss, there's nothing you can say that's going to change my mind about that.
Losing to LSU by 3 in OT could be and probably is more impressive and telling of how good your team is than beating an alright/overrated 8-4 or 9-3 team in many instances.
I'm ok with set criteria, I guess. I just can't wrap my mind around conference championships being one while we only have a 4 team playoff.
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