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re: What other schools could get away with what UNC evidently has?

Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:05 pm to
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They praise Calipari, Saban, Boeheim, and Urban Meyer, yet they act like Roy Williams is the biggest criminal in college sports ever.



Why does Saban belong in that conversation. Everybody knows those other guys are crooks and it's pretty damn transparent at this point.

But not Roy. Good ol' Roy, aw shucks, dagnabbit. He's Andy Griffith as a basketball coach. What an awesome guy!

He's just as bad as any of them, but he's made of teflon. Why?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
61323 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:08 pm to
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In the end, they may vacate some wins, maybe lose some schollies, and/or get a one year post season ban, but this year will be considered clean and they'll get to keep the NC if they win it. That may not have happened if they didn't drag it out like they've done.


You realize its not the basketball program thats the main part of the infraction?

The football program was the investigation.

They only re-opened that investigation because Rashad McCants came out talking, and he said some inconsistent things that clearly show he's just looking for $$$.

McCants was a Matt Doherty recruit.

Case and point:

"The question is what are we talking about, honestly. I mean I have a check being written to me from the University of North Carolina for over $10 million due to the exploitation of me as a player and the lack of education that I received. The NCAA has a check for me for over $300 million to help me facilitate these sports education programs across the country. These are things that’s in the works."
—?Rashad McCants, speaking on Mark Packers' Sirius XM radio show in 2014[52]


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In contrast, in a noted 2004 interview with television station WRAL, McCants compared attending UNC with being in jai[/quote]


Rashad McCants is pissed he isn't in the NBA and blew his money, and now he wants to find his own ways of making money.

McCants changes words


[quote]CHAPEL HILL, N.C.-- North Carolina guard Rashad McCants is
required to go to class, to show up on time for practice and to attend study hall. He has very little of the freedom most college students take for granted.

And he wouldn't have it any other way.




quote:

"I love North Carolina," McCants said Tuesday. "I wouldn't be
here if I didn't."


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McCants and Tar Heels coach Roy Williams held a news conference
to explain comments McCants made to a local TV station last week.

In an interview that aired on WRAL-TV on Friday night, McCants
compared playing college basketball to being in jail. He also said
he considered his time in the program to be his job.

"It's to get up and go to school, get here and lift weights and
play basketball," McCants said in the interview. "That's my
9-to-5. As my uncle said, I'm in jail right now. You're not allowed
to do certain things, you're not allowed to say certain things.

"But once you get out of jail, you're free. So I'm just in my
sentence and I'm doing my time."

He said Tuesday he meant to give an example of how regimented
his life is with the Tar Heels. As he told Williams when explaining
the comments, he couldn't go anywhere during fall break like many
of his classmates because he had to get ready for the start of
practice.

"I do feel like there is a lot of things that are required for
us to do," McCants said. "But this is what I love to do, and I
want to make it my job someday."

The enigmatic McCants, who says he's misunderstood by people
outside the team, led North Carolina in scoring last season with an
average of 20 points. He started 29 of 30 games and was named to
the all-Atlantic Coast Conference team and was a third-team
All-America.

In a game against North Carolina-Wilmington last season,
Williams sent McCants and teammate Jesse Holley to the locker room
in the first half because he said they weren't cheering enough for
their teammates on the court.

Williams downplayed the incident after the game, and he had no
further problems with McCants.





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This season, McCants returned with two new tattoos -- "Born to
be hated" on his right arm and "Dying to be loved" on his left.
He talked about public perception of him earlier in the TV interview.





quote:

"I was really ticked off," he said. "I told Rashad there was
a big difference in playing college basketball and being in jail.
Like the game Monopoly, I told him I could just give him a 'Get out
of jail free' card and he could leave."

Williams changed his mind after viewing the complete interview,
which lasted about 10 minutes. McCants was introspective about his
time at North Carolina and he talked about his excitement about the
upcoming season.

"I thought the interview was very thoughtful," Williams said.
"I guess the bottom line is I disagree with his use of the word
jail."


LINK

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The challenge never abated, as we saw from the incident in the Final Four. A couple weeks later, when a press conference was held on the Smith Center court to announce several members of that championship team were departing for the NBA draft, Sean May, Raymond Felton and freshman Marvin Williams were joined at the table by Roy Williams. But four Tar Heels underclassmen left that year. McCants' announcement was separate from the others.


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We are fairly certain McCants was dishonest with himself in the past; go back and read Chris Palmer's ESPN The Magazine article from 2010, which considers the absence of McCants from the NBA just five years after he was a first-round pick.

Although he'd been abandoned by two teams at that point and had a summer-league shot at a third spoiled by a family obligation, and though multiple league employees were quoted on the record as questioning his attitude, McCants found no fault with his own comportment during his time as an active NBA player.





Rashad McCants is obviously an unreliable guy.



This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 10:14 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99221 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:22 pm to
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They praise Calipari, Saban, Boeheim, and Urban Meyer, yet they act like Roy Williams is the biggest criminal in college sports ever.


There's weekly "Cal is overrated" threads between here and the Rant. GTFO with that revisionist history.
Posted by AlabamaAlum07
Member since Jun 2014
2027 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 1:44 am to
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I'd bet everything I own that most major FB and BB programs in the country participate in similar types of activities to some degree. I was a tutor for athletes at A&M and some of the junk courses and extra credit assignments were laughable.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36130 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 1:51 am to
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In the end, they may vacate some wins, maybe lose some schollies, and/or get a one year post season ban, but this year will be considered clean and they'll get to keep the NC if they win it. That may not have happened if they didn't drag it out like they've done.


You realize its not the basketball program thats the main part of the infraction?

The football program was the investigation.



While it is true the basketball program did not start out the focus of any investigation isn't it pretty clear they were funneling many of their important basketball players through the fake african american studies program? A program they custom made for that purpose? I've never heard of a more cynical case of academic fraud for NCAA athletes - especially in light of North Carolina being a generally well respected, while not elite, academic institution.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45058 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 7:49 am to
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While it is true the basketball program did not start out the focus of any investigation isn't it pretty clear they were funneling many of their important basketball players through the fake african american studies program? A program they custom made for that purpose?


You cant know that for sure. They said over 3000 students went through that class and about half were athletes. Regardless that is a provost/dean and administration issue, not specifically a basketball one. It had been going on for years, not like Roy Williams created the class himself
Posted by TheChosenOne
Member since Dec 2005
18521 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 8:36 am to
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You realize its not the basketball program thats the main part of the infraction?

I never said they were and I never said Roy Williams was at fault. All I said is that UNC basketball may receive those penalties, but because they delayed their response until after basketball season it won't affect them this year when they have one of their best teams in years.

It's a smart move and I was just pointing it out.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:00 am to
DP
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 9:36 am
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:01 am to
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I was a tutor for athletes at A&M ......some of the junk courses and extra credit assignments were laughable.


I hear that the cow/sheep/goat fricking courses are top notch there. As is man on man love 101.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9119 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:15 am to
Yes, because the NCAA has been SOOOOO lenient to Alabama over the years (over 35 schollies taken, 9 wins forfeited, and 21 mores wins vacated taken in 2 straight major infractions cases in football).
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36130 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 1:17 pm to
3000 students and over half were athletes? That's incredibly damning. A random sample wpuld have a much smaller percentage.

What's up with the NC apologists?
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