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re: What is the most overated baseball stat?
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:16 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:16 pm to BayouBengals03
yea seriously. explain how its worse. if no one is on base
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Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:16 pm to Pilot Tiger
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how is stiking out worse than hitting a popfly to 1st base? it's a fricking out. it counts just the same.
strike out = no chance to advance runners, no tagging up, virtually no chance of an error of any type.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:16 pm to dukke v
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The managers are pussies as are starting pitchers!!
That statement is very wrong to say the least.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Saves is way more over rated than wins
Saves with 3 run leads, yes
Saves with a 1 run lead, no
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:17 pm to lsusportsman2
wins
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:17 pm to el tigre
or u could hit into a dp?
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:18 pm to Pilot Tiger
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yea seriously. explain how its worse. if no one is on base
I love how you just throw the "if no one is on base part" in there.
But even if there is no one on base, if you put the ball in play, you have a better chance of reaching base than you do if you strike out. That is another reason why Pujols is so good. He puts the ball in play with two strikes maybe more than anyone. And a lot of the time, he gets on base.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:19 pm to Pilot Tiger
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how is stiking out worse than hitting a popfly to 1st base
popping up to the infield would be third.
Anytime you hit the ball, you force the defense to make a play, you can also advance a runner obviously not on an infield fly, but he could still drop the ball.
A hitter that strikes out a lot is usually an undisciplined hitter, that is very important info.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:20 pm to Pilot Tiger
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or u could hit into a dp?
well it was already established that only a dp was worse.
you said a pop fly to first base.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:20 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:an out is a fricking out dude. striking out = popping out. This whole "putting the ball into play" is moot unless something actually happens. Youre telling me a .250 hitter that strikes out 30 times a year is better than a .300 hitter that stikes out 100 times a year? No
But even if there is no one on base, if you put the ball in play, you have a better chance of reaching base than you do if you strike out. That is another reason why Pujols is so good. He puts the ball in play with two strikes maybe more than anyone. And a lot of the time, he gets on base.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:i get that. it's still an overrated stat on measuring if a hitter is good or not
Anytime you hit the ball, you force the defense to make a play, you can also advance a runner obviously not on an infield fly, but he could still drop the ball.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:21 pm to Pilot Tiger
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or u could hit into a dp?
Or you could actually hit the ball and move a runner over, get a sac fly, force some one to make an error.
Of course in some situations a SO is just the same as a regular out, but you are just being ridiculous with your hand picked scenarios.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:21 pm to Pilot Tiger
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or u could hit into a dp?
yeah, l said that was worse
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:22 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:that is my point
it's still an overrated stat on measuring if a hitter is good or not
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:22 pm to Pilot Tiger
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Youre telling me a .250 hitter that strikes out 30 times a year is better than a .300 hitter that stikes out 100 times a year? No
no.
but a .250 hitter that strikes out 30 times a year is better than a .250 hitter that stikes out 100 times a year?
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:22 pm to Pilot Tiger
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an out is a fricking out dude. striking out = popping out. This whole "putting the ball into play" is moot unless something actually happens.
something actually happens a lot.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:24 pm to el tigre
quote:not necessarily. thats my point. k's do not make one hitter better than another all things being equal
but a .250 hitter that strikes out 30 times a year is better than a .250 hitter that stikes out 100 times a year?
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:26 pm to Pilot Tiger
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k's do not make one hitter better than another all things being equal
if everything is equal. If two hitters have a .250 AVG, a .325 OBP, and a .400 SLG, but one of them strikes of 30 times and the other 100, then yes the guy that strikes our 30 times is a better hitter.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:26 pm to Pilot Tiger
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k's do not make one hitter better than another all things being equal
i think most, if not all, will disagree. Every other thing being equal, it's better to cut down on K's.
Posted on 8/19/09 at 7:30 pm to 1ranter1
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Saves with 3 run leads, yes
Saves with a 1 run lead, no
both are bullshite.
Don't confuse getting out of a jam late in the game with a save. The closer usually comes in in the 9th with a 1 run or a 3 run lead, the save is a bs stat.
Top of the 7th, 2 run lead, no out bases full, reliever comes in and gets out of it, he does not get a save unless he pitches 2 more innings which never happens. That is a much more important situation than top of the 9th, no outs 1 run lead.
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