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re: What is a scenario(s) that keeps 13-0 Wisconsin out of the playoff?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:07 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:07 pm to BayouBengals03
I think the worst case for Wisconsin is that ND wins out and either UGA or Bama has one loss after the SECCG. Now, the other wild cards in this situation would be the ACC Champion, Big 12 Champion and PAC 12 champion.
The winner of the SECCG is in. If the loser of that game has only one loss then I believe they should still be in the conversation depending on other conference champions and ND. Now lets say that ND wins out and Georgia lost a very close SECCG by 7 to 10 points. How would the committee justify putting ND in over a team that beat them head to head? I think Georgia could get the nod in that situation but the media would be drooling to have the Notre Dame name in the playoffs.
Winner of the Big 12 / ACCCG: If for example, both Clemson and OU both win their conferences and only have one loss, then I think the nod has to go to OU based off the resume. As far as the Big 12, I think if you have either a one loss OU or TCU then both have the resume to earn that spot. Now if Miami wins out and wins the ACCCG, then Miami would deserve it because of being undefeated. What would hurt Miami would be losing to ND but beating Clemson in the ACCCG.
Winner of the Big 10: If Wisconsin win out and wins the Big10CG, then I just don't see how they deserve it when they played the weakest schedule of all the teams in the top 10. I think Wisconsin is good and I know they can't help that the other teams on their schedule sucks but I also don't think you can reward them when other conference champions or even a 1 loss non conference champion has a better resume than them.
Winner of the PAC 12: Washington is their only hope in my opinion. The only way I see the possibly getting in is if majority of the teams in front of them lost and they win out. They really have no impressive wins over a top 25 team but could have two by the final rankings if they beat Washington State and Southern Cal. Their resume would still look better than Wisconsin's but I just don't believe there is enough to show they are deserving.
While I applaud the committee for trying to reward conference champions but their is one thing for certain to happen every year and that is one conference champion will be left out. I also think the committee opened a door open last year when they allowed Ohio State, which was not a conference champion into the playoffs over Penn State. They allowed Ohio State to get in based off two top 10 road wins, a home win against top 10 Michigan, and Penn State having two losses. While they had some great wins last year, I also think they got in because of their name. With that said, that is why I don't think you can deny ND an opportunity if they win out. That is why they can rule out or allow a one loss SEC team into the playoffs.
Of course....there is a lot of football left to be played. TCU/OU will determine who is no longer in contention. The ND/Miami game will determine who is no longer in contention. Even if Georgia or Bama lost before the SECCG, they are still in contention but it will determine who wins that game. My opinion is that if Wisconsin wins out then the Big 10 will still be left out. If Washington wins out, I still believe the PAC 12 will be left out.
The winner of the SECCG is in. If the loser of that game has only one loss then I believe they should still be in the conversation depending on other conference champions and ND. Now lets say that ND wins out and Georgia lost a very close SECCG by 7 to 10 points. How would the committee justify putting ND in over a team that beat them head to head? I think Georgia could get the nod in that situation but the media would be drooling to have the Notre Dame name in the playoffs.
Winner of the Big 12 / ACCCG: If for example, both Clemson and OU both win their conferences and only have one loss, then I think the nod has to go to OU based off the resume. As far as the Big 12, I think if you have either a one loss OU or TCU then both have the resume to earn that spot. Now if Miami wins out and wins the ACCCG, then Miami would deserve it because of being undefeated. What would hurt Miami would be losing to ND but beating Clemson in the ACCCG.
Winner of the Big 10: If Wisconsin win out and wins the Big10CG, then I just don't see how they deserve it when they played the weakest schedule of all the teams in the top 10. I think Wisconsin is good and I know they can't help that the other teams on their schedule sucks but I also don't think you can reward them when other conference champions or even a 1 loss non conference champion has a better resume than them.
Winner of the PAC 12: Washington is their only hope in my opinion. The only way I see the possibly getting in is if majority of the teams in front of them lost and they win out. They really have no impressive wins over a top 25 team but could have two by the final rankings if they beat Washington State and Southern Cal. Their resume would still look better than Wisconsin's but I just don't believe there is enough to show they are deserving.
While I applaud the committee for trying to reward conference champions but their is one thing for certain to happen every year and that is one conference champion will be left out. I also think the committee opened a door open last year when they allowed Ohio State, which was not a conference champion into the playoffs over Penn State. They allowed Ohio State to get in based off two top 10 road wins, a home win against top 10 Michigan, and Penn State having two losses. While they had some great wins last year, I also think they got in because of their name. With that said, that is why I don't think you can deny ND an opportunity if they win out. That is why they can rule out or allow a one loss SEC team into the playoffs.
Of course....there is a lot of football left to be played. TCU/OU will determine who is no longer in contention. The ND/Miami game will determine who is no longer in contention. Even if Georgia or Bama lost before the SECCG, they are still in contention but it will determine who wins that game. My opinion is that if Wisconsin wins out then the Big 10 will still be left out. If Washington wins out, I still believe the PAC 12 will be left out.
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:17 pm to CobraCommander83
11-1 Notre Dame is a lock, I agree.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:28 pm to BayouBengals03
If Georgia and Bama go into the SEC champ game undefeated...
And ND wins out.
They are all in.
Georgia or Bama would have to get blown out by the way the committee is voting.
The battle is and always has been for #4.
Washington and Wisky need Georgia or Bama to lose a game before the SEC champ game (unlikely) - only hope is Auburn.
And they need Clemson and Oklahoma to lose (unlikely) at this point.
And ND wins out.
They are all in.
Georgia or Bama would have to get blown out by the way the committee is voting.
The battle is and always has been for #4.
Washington and Wisky need Georgia or Bama to lose a game before the SEC champ game (unlikely) - only hope is Auburn.
And they need Clemson and Oklahoma to lose (unlikely) at this point.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:38 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I truly don't believe the committee gives a frick if Georgia or Alabama isn't a conference champion.
Alabama is BY FAR the #1 team in the nation according to S&P+. They are #1 in Game Efficiency. They are #1 in Sagarin's college football ratings. Other metrics prop them up very highly, too. Most people would say they pass the eye test, as well.
Again, conference championships won, head-to-head, and strength of schedule only comes into play when judging comparable teams. If Georgia beats Alabama in a tight battle in the SEC Championship Game, the committee could easily determine Alabama to still be one of the top 4 teams in the nation. Simply put, they could not think Alabama and Wisconsin are even comparable.
Alabama is BY FAR the #1 team in the nation according to S&P+. They are #1 in Game Efficiency. They are #1 in Sagarin's college football ratings. Other metrics prop them up very highly, too. Most people would say they pass the eye test, as well.
Again, conference championships won, head-to-head, and strength of schedule only comes into play when judging comparable teams. If Georgia beats Alabama in a tight battle in the SEC Championship Game, the committee could easily determine Alabama to still be one of the top 4 teams in the nation. Simply put, they could not think Alabama and Wisconsin are even comparable.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:13 pm to BayouBengals03
I'm convinced Georgia and Alabama are already in barring a major upset before the SEC champ game.
One would have to lose Oklahoma vs. K-State style in the Champ game and that didn't even stop 2003 Oklhaoma from going to the BCS despite being whooped in their final game.
I hope the committee has adopted some of the March Madness committee feelings about wanting hot teams and teams peaking at the right time and not...
Tail between our legs defeated bums like 2003 Oklahoma.
So if Georgia gets whipped by Bama in the SEC champ game, I hope they're out.
Give someone else a chance in the playoffs - we don't need another rematch where you get whipped again.
I think Georgia has to win the SEC game or keep it super close...Bama just has to show up and not get blown out. That's the bullshite benefit that they get.
One would have to lose Oklahoma vs. K-State style in the Champ game and that didn't even stop 2003 Oklhaoma from going to the BCS despite being whooped in their final game.
I hope the committee has adopted some of the March Madness committee feelings about wanting hot teams and teams peaking at the right time and not...
Tail between our legs defeated bums like 2003 Oklahoma.
So if Georgia gets whipped by Bama in the SEC champ game, I hope they're out.
Give someone else a chance in the playoffs - we don't need another rematch where you get whipped again.
I think Georgia has to win the SEC game or keep it super close...Bama just has to show up and not get blown out. That's the bullshite benefit that they get.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:48 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
Alabama is BY FAR the #1 team in the nation according to S&P+.
Who is #2?
quote:
They are #1 in Sagarin's college football ratings.
Again, who is #2?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:29 am to oleyeller
quote:frick ND.
If wisc is 13-0.. they are in 100%. An undefeated big10 champ will be in
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:06 am to Dalosaqy
McElroy was digging in on this on his radio show this morning and his partner Taylor Zarzour basically agreed ND gets the shite end of the stick if Wisconsin runs the table. They're basically saying no CCG/affiliation will be a killer.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:21 am to Bunk Moreland
Well they're idiots
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:59 am to BayouBengals03
It's possible but it could end up being impossible to do that
Especially if
USC wins Pac (they are a lock for runner-up
Miami wins ACC (lock for runner up)
Michigan St
As of now ND has played four top 12 teams.
That will evolve. Guess we will see
Michigan is better than Wisconsin. So if Harbs can't win that game
Especially if
USC wins Pac (they are a lock for runner-up
Miami wins ACC (lock for runner up)
Michigan St
As of now ND has played four top 12 teams.
That will evolve. Guess we will see
Michigan is better than Wisconsin. So if Harbs can't win that game
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:11 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:A 2 loss team who lost those games by a combined 40-84 score.
Who is #2?
The committee probably doesn't think that team is very comparable to the top 4 teams.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:40 am to rocket31
It's possible for Notre Dame to have beaten the Pac 12, Big Ten, and ACC champions by season's end.
They could also have a 1-point loss to the SEC Champion.
Obviously, that's unlikely. But the fact that it's a possibility shows how ridiculous their schedule has been, IMO.
They could also have a 1-point loss to the SEC Champion.
Obviously, that's unlikely. But the fact that it's a possibility shows how ridiculous their schedule has been, IMO.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:50 am to BayouBengals03
There is no scenario unless they hit sanctions before December. Undefeated with a bad schedule plus beating a good opponent would have them in easily and rightfully so.
They're not a great team but that offensive line is legit. I think they beat Michigan State and Ohio State. Penn State has enough offense to make them play out of their normal game if they score first or get up. If they're 13-0, then they deserve it.
They're not a great team but that offensive line is legit. I think they beat Michigan State and Ohio State. Penn State has enough offense to make them play out of their normal game if they score first or get up. If they're 13-0, then they deserve it.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:19 am to arwicklu
Can someone help me understand why TCU is ranked where they are, given the quickness with which the panelists attack an undefeated Wisconsin team?
TCU's best win is over a 2 loss Oklahoma State team...whose best win is, what, W. Virginia? Texas? TCU also has a loss on their record to a 3 loss Iowa State team that's ranked 24th. Are you telling me that wins are so important that beating a likely overrated Ok State team is more than enough to overcome a loss to a team that's barely ranked? (Clemson would be in this grouping as well)
TCU's best win is over a 2 loss Oklahoma State team...whose best win is, what, W. Virginia? Texas? TCU also has a loss on their record to a 3 loss Iowa State team that's ranked 24th. Are you telling me that wins are so important that beating a likely overrated Ok State team is more than enough to overcome a loss to a team that's barely ranked? (Clemson would be in this grouping as well)
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:25 am to BayouBengals03
SEC ainr getting 2 under any scenario where Clemson and Oklahoma are 12-1 and Wisconsin is 13-0
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:28 am to rolltide32
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SEC ainr getting 2 under any scenario where Clemson and Oklahoma are 12-1 and Wisconsin is 13-0
Unless everyone in that room has the same agenda, being to get the playoff to 6 or 8 teams. Because there would be some outrage.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:43 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
Unless everyone in that room has the same agenda, being to get the playoff to 6 or 8 teams.
Or maybe that agenda is putting the 4 best teams in the playoff?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:47 am to BayouBengals03
quote:
Or maybe that agenda is putting the 4 best teams in the playoff?
Good luck convincing everyone that an undefeated P5 champion is not deserving of a bid. shite, Clemson should have been removed from any and all consideration when they lost to Syracuse.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:01 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
shite, Clemson should have been removed from any and all consideration when they lost to Syracuse.
Ohio State lost AT HOME by 14 points to a 6-6 Virginia Tech team in 2014.
Should they have been removed from all consideration that year? You're probably a good person to ask, since they annihilated Wisconsin 59-0 in the Big Ten title game.
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:07 am to BayouBengals03
quote:
Ohio State lost AT HOME by 14 points to a 6-6 Virginia Tech team in 2014.
Should they have been removed from all consideration that year? You're probably a good person to ask, since they annihilated Wisconsin 59-0 in the Big Ten title game.
I'll hang up and listen.
Did OSU get the nod over an undefeated P5 conference champ?
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