re: What in the world is going down in Waco? (Update: Player found guilty of sexual assault)

We're going to find out when the inevitable civil suit against BU-Briles is filed. Depositions under oath will be taken and then we will see how strong the coaching fraternity is.

Gloria Allred holding on line one . . .

Without documentation how can anyone prove what Peterson told Briles. If CP kicked him off because of sexual assault issues why would he even contact another coach about taking the kid?

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But keeping him on the team after arrest is on the President at least as much as it is on Briles.

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He wasn't practicing, playing, nor was even on the roster. He still had his scholarship, so if you consider that as him being on the team - then he was.

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Without documentation how can anyone prove what Peterson told Briles. If CP kicked him off because of sexual assault issues why would he even contact another coach about taking the kid?

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You really believe that Briles was told a freshman All American who had his scholarship yanked was little more than depressed? You really believe that is all he was told?

There is no way around this. A kid of that talent does NOT get dumped for being depressed. Period.

To believe that Briles was told absolutely nothing about this kid's issues other than depression and having a bad relationship w/o him doing any further inquiry means you must assume that Briles is a moron at best and a extremely negligent at worst.

Briles will have to resign if he lied as it appears he did

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This rapist was being sponsored by your University when they had every reason to believe he was a threat to the community at large.

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This has been discussed. We don't know what Briles/Baylor knew about Sam U's past prior to transferring to him transferring Baylor.

We do know that Petersen called Briles and told him he had a player that needed to be closer to home. Petersen was the one that went to Briles, not the other way around. Seems hard to believe Petersen (who everyone agrees is a great guy) would knowingly place a kid with violent history.

We also know that Sam U was in good standing with the university.

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Briles will have to resign if he lied as it appears he did

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Absolutely not true. Unless you have personal inside information which I'm just going to assume you don't. That's the Internet Twitter mentality at its finest. I've stated in this thread the focus on all of this, the human aspect and the terrible situation for the victim so I won't re-hash the importance of that.

The jury gave him probation for Rape. Regardless of evidence if an accusation is made in the state of Texas relaiting to domestic violence or sexual assault it will 100% go to trial if a statement of said allegation stands. Thats Texas. When a jury comes back with probation on a rape charge in Texas you can make a few assumptions but with the lack of complete information you can only go so far.

By all means please keep "the plains are burning" this story with your complete detachment, lack of expertise and clear closet bias.

That being said if anything good can come from something so tragic and unfortunate is that this situation after an initial accusation, regardless of lack of sopena power, rights to information etc of the IX investigators, should be handled.

Bottom line, if in the state of Texas you get accused of rape and the evidence is at its basic level a he said she said you have this outcome.

why do all the Baylor fans keep pointing to what he did at Boise? It's fricking irrelevant.

The guy was indicted for rape while at Baylor. Baylor bro. The decision to keep him on scholarship at Baylor after that was totally up to Baylor. Throwing Petersen's name around as if it is somehow his responsibility is absurd.

And if Briles didn't know his violent past btw, it's because Briles didn't want to know. The matter was public record and was easily obtainable whether Petersen told him or not. The fact he didn't bother to go get it even after the rape indictment suggests he just didn't give a frick

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The guy was indicted for rape while at Baylor. Baylor bro. The decision to keep him on scholarship at Baylor after that was totally up to Baylor. Throwing Petersen's name around as if it is somehow his responsibility is absurd.

And if Briles didn't know his violent past btw, it's because Briles didn't want to know. The matter was public record and was easily obtainable whether Petersen told him or not. The fact he didn't bother to go get it even after the rape indictment suggests he just didn't give a frick

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This is a question that does need to be addressed nationwide. How should a school respond to this? Should they kick the player off campus and assume "guilty before innocent"? Should they simply just remove them from all team activities until the case has an outcome? Should they simply ban them from games and allow them to practice (which we have seen at other colleges)?

There should be some standard that is fair to the accused. If a university issues a public statement, or even enforces some penalty on the student, and the accused is acquitted (athlete or not) the institution puts itself in legal jeopardy. (This has happened on various occasions around the country).

I don't follow what was public record. There was no police reports from the local police department indicating violence. The ex-gf testified in court yesterday that she didn't tell anyone (not Boise or the local PD) that Sam was violent towards her.

The only public record that we have of his violence is an email from an associate athletic director to himself saying Sam U punched a window and cut up his hand. That is the only recorded act of violence that is public record to my knowledge.

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im tired of my Baylor friends defending this guy and Briles. for a private baptist university, its funny how they are looking the other way and defending the kid and briles

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No one is defending Sam U. WTF are you talking about?

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Seems harder to believe that Briles would think that a kid of that talent lost his scholarship over being depressed and having a bad relationship w/a girl.

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I was contacted by Coach Petersen at Boise State in spring 2013 and he told me he had a player from Texas who needed to get closer to home and that he thought our program would be a good spot for him,” Briles said in a statement released via email Friday evening. “I know and respect Coach Petersen and he would never recommend a student-athlete to Baylor that he didn’t believe in. In our discussion, he did not disclose that there had been violence toward women, but he did tell me of a rocky relationship with his girlfriend which contributed to his depression. The only disciplinary action I was aware of were team-related issues, insubordination of coaches and missing practice.”

Briles assumed he was dismissed for "team related issues, insubordination of coaches, and missing practices".

in a non-homer opinion, they kicked him off the team and revoked his scholarship. Their problem was solved. They didn't need to find a landing spot for him because it's no longer their issue. Continuing to bring up Boise or Petersen is a red herring.

Maybe he's someone that deserved a second chance. I don't know anything else about him. But that second chance should have ended the day of the indictment. It just should have no matter what Chris Petersen did or didn't say and there is really no way to spin that. The fact that Briles even brought up Petersen shows he's trying to shirk his own responsibility here.

This kid was indicted in June 2014 for raping a fellow student-athlete at Baylor. Everything that happened before that should have alerted Briles, Starr, and everyone in the Baylor administration that he was a danger. Choosing to remain ignorant at that point is exactly that...a choice. And that choice endangered Baylor students.