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re: We are all in agreement that Belichick is going to fail, right?

Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:01 pm to
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:01 pm to
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Coaches can now hire people to manage the roster and payments. In theory, this will let focus more on football and not 24/7 recruiting

Do you see him as the type to be ok with that? I don’t at all. Like I said before, especially if there isn’t immediate success.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:01 pm to
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If the standard you are holding him to is his success at New England then yes, he will be a failure.

Which would be dumb considering the history of most NFL coaches that have entered the college game.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:17 pm to
Most Super Bowl rings. He knows football. I think he'll get people to buy in. I think UNC is in the playoff his second year.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:20 pm to
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think he'll get people to buy in

Is the selling point to recruits just going to be “knows football and most Super Bowl rings” ?
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:32 pm to
There’s not a high school player in the world that can relate to that ornery old man.

He will be done by three years
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:50 pm to
UNC has the 5th or so largest endowment of any public university. I think they will get better with large NIL $'s. Age is only thing working against him. He may have 4 or so years to do this.
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:51 pm to
It's also interesting how Coaches who are the biggest A-holes and dictators but very good coaches (Saban, Meyer, Belichick) all prefer CFB to NFL. They want more control. When players earn more than you as a HC, that's not control.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Age is only thing working against him. He may have 4 or so years to do this.

That’s a good point. Say they don’t make the playoff in those 3-4 years but he builds something lasting for his son to take over and they do find success after that, I’d say that’s a win.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19816 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:55 pm to
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It's also interesting how Coaches who are the biggest A-holes and dictators but very good coaches (Saban, Meyer, Belichick) all prefer CFB to NFL. They want more control. When players earn more than you as a HC, that's not control.

But that control is now basically gone at the college level. Someone said earlier that nfl players are actually less in control now than college players and that is spot on.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:03 pm to
Only on TD can you find a post about how the greatest football coach of all time in the NFL will certainly fail in college. The dude can coach. NFL GMs are stupid for passing on him if they did. Acting like all his success is just bc "muh Brady" is just idiotic.
Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
317 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:42 pm to
A super bowl winning coach suddenly forgets how to coach?

If you want him to fail, you're just a hater.
Posted by dlc83
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
1843 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:43 pm to
UNC alum and lifelong Tar Heel football fan.

I cannot stress how SHOCKED my fellow alums are with this move. This is so counter to the "Carolina Way" and our stuffy, too-good-for-football PTB and certain fans.

We're stoked that this move is finally getting UNC to move towards the modern era of college sports. Credit the new Chancellor who appears to have spearheaded this move - along with certain BOT members.

I think the 70-50 loss to JMU in Kenan and the beat down we received from Alabama in the Dean Dome were real eye openers for our administration. We needed to embrace the NIL era.
Posted by Poichess
Member since Jun 2019
1112 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:00 pm to
Great press conference. I'm rooting for Belichick. In a world full of nonsense, he’s a refreshing change.

And no wonder UNC couldn’t get their shite together, the Chancellor looked like a clueless doosh bag
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19816 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:15 pm to
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Only on TD can you find a post about how the greatest football coach of all time in the NFL will certainly fail in college. The dude can coach. NFL GMs are stupid for passing on him if they did. Acting like all his success is just bc "muh Brady" is just idiotic.

You seem like you struggle with reading
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19816 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:16 pm to
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super bowl winning coach suddenly forgets how to coach?

Yea cause that’s what I said lol
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16601 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:28 pm to
Define fail? Do I think he's going to have UNC as the worst team in the ACC, and one of the worst in the country? No I do not. At the same time, I don't think he will turn UNC into a top 5 program with a legitimate chance to compete for a title.

I think he will likely have them barely making bowl eligibility each year, with a lone 9-10 win season sandwiched in. Whether we consider that failing or not, I don't know.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:48 pm to
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Only on TD can you find a post about how the greatest football coach of all time in the NFL will certainly fail in college. The dude can coach. 


I'm honestly amazed at the amount of people who are writing this off & who are saying Belichick will be a complete failure at UNC.

While everyone has been focused on discussions about his girlfriend, Belichick had been visiting college campuses, meeting with college coaches & administrators & observing college football practices. He was obviously gathering information that he used in that 400 page "bible" he provided in his interview with UNC. Let's not forget that he is also best friends with the best to ever coach the college game. There's not doubt he leaned on Saban heavily in preparing his football bible.

The fact the he will put together 2 different staffs, one for coaching & the other for recruiting is actually genius. That will allow the coaches on the football side to simply worry about X's & O's during the season. That's huge because now with the early signing period in December, crunch time for recruiting falls during the meat & potatoes of the football season. It can lead to a staff being stretched thin trying to finalize recruiting classes while at the same time trying to do game planning, game prep & win games on the field. Even Saban admitted how difficult this is when responding to Pat McAfee concerning LSU hosting 300 recruits for this year's LSU/Bama game.

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Just ask former Alabama coach Nick Saban, who vented about the subject Friday during an appearance on the Pat McAfee Show in Athens before Georgia's game against Tennessee.

"I was even saying on the way over here how much easier it was to play on the road from my coaching-load standpoint," Saban said after being told that last week on McAfee's show, LSU coach Brian Kelly said the Tigers were hosting "upward of 300 recruits and their families" for their game against Alabama.

"If you had 300 recruits in there, who talked to those guys while they were there? The coaches had to talk to them, the head coach had to talk to them. I mean, so you're spending so much time on Friday and Saturday recruiting that it takes away from your focus on the game. Then you're asking a player, 'Hey, man, why don't come over and say hi to this recruit?' Instead of him focusing on the game, he's worried about recruiting. When you play on the road, you don't have any of that.

"Plus I used to have to go to Nick at Noon and speak to everybody when we had a home game. I hated that. I mean, I hated it. To spend 12 to 1 on Friday before a big game and you're speaking to these

"I enjoyed doing it, don't get me wrong," Saban, making air quotes with his fingers, told McAfee. "But it took away from -- and then you leave that, and you've got to go talk to some recruits. I used to have trouble getting dressed in time to go out for warm-ups when we had big home games because I had so many recruits to talk to in my office, in the stadium, in the locker room -- I was hustling to get dressed to be on time for warm-ups.

"So it can be a distraction, but if you're gonna have a good team, you've got to do a good job of recruiting."


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In terms of Belichick's football staff, you have to figure it's going to be one of the better staff's in the country from a X & O standpoint. The biggest questions revolving around this are who will be on his recruiting staff & how well his recruiting staff does in getting in talent. The operation is being set up to be successful already though with UNC designating $20 million to recruiting & NIL. The Carolinas are a hotbed for high school talent & they will be able to dip into Georgia & Florida as well. I'm not saying Belichick will win a National Title at UNC but with the plan he has in place & UNC now willing to spend, the percentages of Belichick having UNC compete for ACC Championships & CFP births are better than many realize.

Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19816 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:02 pm to
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The fact the he will put together 2 different staffs, one for coaching & the other for recruiting is actually genius. That will allow the coaches on the football side to simply worry about X's & O's during the season.

Yea but a lot of kids commit to schools because their position coach is recruiting them and will be coaching them during the season.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:07 pm to
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At the same time, I don't think he will turn UNC into a top 5 program with a legitimate chance to compete for a title.


A program doesn't have to be a top 5 program any longer to compete for a title with the 12 team playoff. Boise St., SMU, Arizona St. & Indiana aren't any near consideration for top 10 much less top 5 programs in the country yet here they are. 4 out of the 12 teams in the playoff tournament.

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I think he will likely have them barely making bowl eligibility each year, with a lone 9-10 win season sandwiched in. 


Listen at what you are saying here. UNC has been a "barely" bowl eligible program with average to below average coaches & coaching staffs. Nor have they ever displayed this big of a commitment to football EVER. Getting that administration to dedicate $20 million per year to the football program is a level of commitment only seen by premier programs in the country. Last but not least, 9-10 wins in the ACC probably gets them in the ACC Championship game with a shot to be in the playoffs.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:10 pm to
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Yea but a lot of kids commit to schools because their position coach is recruiting them and will be coaching them during the season.


I'm sure Belichick & the football "only" portion of his staff will have communications with recruits especially when it comes to on campus visits & observing practices but the recruiting staff will deal more with the family, the handlers & agents.
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