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re: VIDEO: Tony Stewart hits opposing driver; driver has died according to reports
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:00 am to boom roasted
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:00 am to boom roasted
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Are you arguing that he had the intent to kill?
The insurance salesman knows more than you about laws.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:00 am to boom roasted
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Are you arguing that he had the intent to kill?
Not really. My original statement was that a murder charge really isn't too far fetched if intent was there. I'm arguing he should be charged with some type of negligence. And that would be getting him off easy being the end result is a dead person.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:00 am to YStar
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so anybody saying anything that isn't "he's innocent" or giving some idiotic arse pull of an explanation to why he "accidentally" did it, gets attacked by the mob.
This is wrong. We aren't even saying he's innocent.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:01 am to jorconalx
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Ystar sure is an emotional little bitch
Internet tough guy. Says much online and nothing in person.
Oh and last I checked you guys are the emotional ones defending all out. All I did was mock the posters who said something earlier and you guys ran angrily waving your torches and weeping in anger.
How dare YStar!
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:01 am to Chad504boy
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Not really. My original statement was that a murder charge really isn't too far fetched if intent was there. I'm arguing he should be charged with some type of negligence. And that would be getting him off easy being the end result is a dead person.
I think Ward should be charged with negligence and criminal damage to Stewart's car.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:02 am to YStar
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Internet tough guy. Says much online and nothing in person.
Kind of like what you're doing right now?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:02 am to Chad504boy
quote:Dude. You compared Ward walking onto a dark track during the middle of a race to bashing someone's skull in with a baseball bat. That's ridiculous. ETA: Also, you said that common sense points to some charge of negligence. No it doesn't.
Its not. You are just being biased to an opinion you want to have.
quote:Ok, I'll play along.
Lets say Tony Stewart absolutely had the intent to hit him and deliberately make no effort to maneuver away from ward.
quote:More than what we currently have access to.
What evidence do you want to prove this?
quote:If this video is the only evidence we have, and if Tony specifically intended to kill him but we just can't prove it, then yes I'm willing to let him walk. I believe strongly in the presumption of innocence.
You're willing to let this man walk bc of a lack of "perceived" evidence?
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:03 am to Chad504boy
quote:If intent was there, sure, charge him with murder. But this video isn't enough. For murder he had to have the intent to run his arse over, not just scare him by getting close.
My original statement was that a murder charge really isn't too far fetched if intent was there.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:07 am to jorconalx
Just a general reply and not directed to jorconalx
There are conflicting reports from the drivers on the track. One driver who said Ward could be seen clear as day but that driver was well in front of the 45 car that was in front of Stewart.
Here is a link from another driver that said:
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Obviously this is not as clear as some want to believe. The video is not conclusive. I have seen a slowed down version of the video where it appears as though Ward grabbed a hold of the wing of the car and that is not conclusive.
Anyone can have an opinion on intent but only Tony Stewart knows what his intent was.
The Ontario county sheriff has a second video that is being reviewed.
There are conflicting reports from the drivers on the track. One driver who said Ward could be seen clear as day but that driver was well in front of the 45 car that was in front of Stewart.
Here is a link from another driver that said:
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"From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him," said sprint car driver Cory Sparks.
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Sparks was just a few cars behind Stewart during Saturday's race. He said videos that have been posted online do not give an accurate picture of what happened. "People say that they heard the engine rev up and he gassed it. In a sprint car, the only way to steer is you steer with the rear wheels as much as you do the steering wheel. In my opinion, what he did was he gassed it to turn down away from him," said Sparks. Sparks also said drivers are very limited with the amount they can see out of the right side of the car.
Obviously this is not as clear as some want to believe. The video is not conclusive. I have seen a slowed down version of the video where it appears as though Ward grabbed a hold of the wing of the car and that is not conclusive.
Anyone can have an opinion on intent but only Tony Stewart knows what his intent was.
The Ontario county sheriff has a second video that is being reviewed.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:15 am to TigerFred
I wonder if the public will ever get to see the second video?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:41 pm to TigerFred
For anyone wondering what the view from the driver's seat inside of these Sprints cars looks like and how hard they are to steer, here is a cool walk through video
LINK
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Erin Evernham explains to Adam Alexander how the visibility, steering and tires function on a winged sprint car.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:06 pm to SPEEDY
Amazing how much better looking Erin Crocker is now than when she raced
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:12 pm to SprintFun
Yeah, the long hair suits her well
Posted on 8/16/14 at 4:00 pm to TigerFred
quote:wasnt tony coming out of a left turn? Ward would have moved from his center view to his right. Plenty of time to see him.
Sparks also said drivers are very limited with the amount they can see out of the right side of the car.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:27 am to volfan30
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At times, though, Stewart and his foes made NASCAR look like a demolition derby, with the skilled drivers bumping and nudging each other and sometimes blatantly forcing someone to crash. There grew a lawless subculture of postrace confrontations, screaming and punches and even near-assaults while races were in still in action.
The lines between the desire to win, rough driving, ‘‘trading paint’’ and near-deadly aggression blurred. Pit row could resemble a mosh pit.
This was not all because of Stewart, mind you. NASCAR has been rough since the git-go. You don’t start a sport based on souped-up moonshiners’ hot rods and wild-driving good ol’ boys and expect Cinderella to break out.
But the bubbling culture of danger and machismo came to a tragic head Aug. 9, when Stewart hit and killed 20-year-old Kevin Ward Jr. in a non-NASCAR-sanctioned sprint-car event in Canandaigua, New York. Ward had jumped out of his car after spinning out and crashing because of a bump by Stewart, and he was doing the macho screaming act he probably had seen many times on TV when Stewart came around and nailed him with the right side of his car.
Could Stewart have avoided Ward? Did he want to? Was he trying to teach the kid a little ‘‘attitude’’ lesson? Not kill him but scare him? Maybe a little sideswipe and some face grit?
We may never know.
It seems certain Stewart will be hit with some kind of civil charges in the end, and criminal charges are also a possibility.
It was probably inevitable that something such as this tragic death would occur sooner or later. As Ward’s father said coldly after the race, Stewart was by far the best driver on the little-town track, and he could have prevented the mess.
Call it a perfect storm, if you like. An arrogant, 43-year-old star chillin’ in a small-time race, doing it like a hobby, teaching an upstart local kid a big lesson.
Oh, what a lesson.
For Stewart most of all.
LINK
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:15 am to Zamoro10
Anything new in that article? Or just another article speculating about what Stewart could have done?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:17 am to boom roasted
Based on the area that is quoted, I would speculate that it is another reporter who knows nothing about racing trying to fill space on a website or newspaper.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:19 am to Zamoro10
absolutely a horribly written article
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:15 am to jeff5891
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wasnt tony coming out of a left turn? Ward would have moved from his center view to his right. Plenty of time to see him.
Once again, you rarely look in right in a sprint car, especially on dirt and in the middle of a turn.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:13 am to geauxtigs99
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Once again, you rarely look in right in a sprint car, especially on dirt and in the middle of a turn.
I could understand this point if it happened before the caution came out. Even if Tony didn't know he wrecked Ward, when the caution came out that should let you know something has happened.
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