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re: USA-Portugal match draws more viewers than NBA Finals or World Series

Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:46 pm to
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College football was my first love, followed by the NFL and NHL, but I'm really enjoying U.S. Soccer.


I just enjoy sports in general. The more the better honestly. I freely admit that baseball has fallen in my personal hierarchy, even with the Cardinals success. Still obviously a huge Cardinal fan but I used to watch many other games and stay plugged into the MLB daily but that has changed.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:55 pm to
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I just enjoy sports in general. The more the better honestly. I freely admit that baseball has fallen in my personal hierarchy, even with the Cardinals success. Still obviously a huge Cardinal fan but I used to watch many other games and stay plugged into the MLB daily but that has changed.


Im exactly the same way. I love all sports. Soccer has moved way up my list over the last 10 years while NHL and baseball have fallen. To a lesser extent NBA has fallen on my list as well, but I know that isn't the most common. I think my increased love for college basketball has left me less excited about NBA. I just appreciate the 1 - 5 on 5 game rather than the 5 - 1 on 1 games you have often in the NBA.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:04 pm to
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I love these kinds of comments. Are you forced to watch ESPN?


Of course not, and I would have watched regardless of ESPN's ad blitz, but their marketing has been effective, and you can't deny that.

ESPN/ABC obtained the rights to broadcast the World Cup in the USA, so they have promoted it accordingly, and that includes shoving it down our throats. I would imagine they have effectively garnered a few more viewers than they would have had if they had promoted it as just another set of games.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:11 pm to
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ESPN/ABC obtained the rights to broadcast the World Cup in the USA, so they have promoted it accordingly, and that includes shoving it down our throats.


They promote every sport they broadcast.

This isnt unique to soccer or the world cup. World Series, NBA finals, Superbowl...all the networks that broadcast these events promote the frick out of them. Saying this is different to other major sporting events in promotion just shows you dont pay attention to the bombarding associated with the others.






Posted by DirklasDaDirk
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:17 pm to
Nancy Kerrigan drew 126 million.. beat that soccer.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:26 pm to
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and you can't deny that.


Why would I have any interest in doing so?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:38 pm to
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Saying this is different to other major sporting events in promotion just shows you dont pay attention to the bombarding associated with the others


Did I say it was different? No. Go back and check your facts. I said they have done a very effective marketing blitz. It started over a year ago, which actually is different.

And the world cup has been ubiquitous in the past month or two. All I said was that Americans are tuning in in part because of ESPN's saturation of the market.

If you can't see that was what I was saying then you don't pay attention to English.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:49 pm to
I just don't know what you're arguing here. Why would ESPN promoting the WC be a bad thing?
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:38 pm to
Ok. So its not different than other major sporting events then what was the point in saying it in the first place?

Soke folks watch because of good marketing?

Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:53 pm to
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I just don't know what you're arguing here. Why would ESPN promoting the WC be a bad thing?


:sigh: Nevermind. I was explaining why the numbers are so high, but my rationale has apparently gone over kilo's and your heads.

I'm not arguing that it's a bad thing. frick.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:59 pm to
Last years MLS Cup Final had a 0.5 rating.... 2001 was the last time they had a 1.0 rating or higher.


Soccer is very popular right now with national pride and all but lets not pretend it is ready to over throw MLB, basketball, or football.... and it is the most popular youth sport so maybe things change in next 15 years but it isn't happening that now.

The world cup is averaging a 2.5 rating overall right no according to ESPN

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ESPN, meanwhile, says it is averaging a 2.5 rating and 4.1 million viewers through its first 14 matches, up from 2.1 and 3.34 million four years ago. It is averaging 257,000 viewers per minute and 736,000 viewers per match on its WatchESPN platform
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:05 pm to
Again, MLS is about the 5th most popular league in the US.

Yes, for soccer to ever be HUGELY popular in the US, MLS will have to gain more traction. But people act like MLS is the only avenue for growth of the game in this country. I would say, outside of the WC and all that comes with that, the Champions League is mainly what is driving soccer growth.

Soccer isn't like the NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB where popularity can be judged almost entirely on one league.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:06 pm to
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Soke folks watch because of good marketing?


YES. frick. That's the point of marketing.

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So its not different than other major sporting events then what was the point in saying it in the first place?


I pointed out to you in my last post how it was different. The hype began to build about a year ago. You don't have that with any other sport because of the nature of the tournament.

Does ESPN promote all of its sporting events? Yes. No shite. Water is wet. But they have done a marketing blitz with this, cross-promoting it on their talk shows, ensuring that soccer highlights from qualifying games were shown on Sports Center in big promotional pieces, and finally hyping it up even more with commercials and promotions here toward the beginning of the Cup.

It has been promoted, just like every other event they do, but it has been promoted in a way that it has invaded the American sports fan's consciousness. ESPN and ABC have fantastic marketing campaigns. If you're to believe some conspiracy theorists, ESPN is responsible for the long string of titles the SEC has won because ESPN has been all over the SEC's jockstrap ever since they signed a contract to show SEC football.

The more critics talk about something, the more it is watched, the more it is investigated. The more hype is built up. They have created a ton of buzz around the World Cup and they have done so with a purpose.

Therefore, you fricking ingrates, ESPN's marketing is, in some fashion, responsible for the increase in viewership. It's fricking obvious and elementary to what a good network does.

Is it a bad thing? No. Did I say it was? No. I was acknowledging the circumstances leading up to the ratings that were produced on Sunday. You two have latched onto the fact that I said that ESPN has been "shoving the World Cup down our throats," as some sort of indication that I hate what they've done. That is not the case. I'm simply acknowledging that ESPN has created a sports atmosphere (and as the largest cable sports network in America, they certainly have the power to do so) in which the World Cup and the USA's participation therein have become ubiquitous. They have shoved it down our throats.

Mother. frick.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:08 pm to
Dude. People get WHAT you're saying. They just don't know WHY you're saying it or why it's even relevant to this discussion.

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They have shoved it down our throats.


No you chose to have it shoved down your throat.

Me? I don't even own a TV, so it certainly wasn't shoved down mine.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:09 pm to
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Yes, for soccer to ever be HUGELY popular in the US, MLS will have to gain more traction. But people act like MLS is the only avenue for growth of the game in this country. I would say, outside of the WC and all that comes with that, the Champions League is mainly what is driving soccer growth.


If the MLS were to heavily invest in player development systems (which it is doing) and to heavily invest in star power (which it is dabbling in, but ineffectively), Soccer will eventually become more popular than the NHL. It is on an upward trend.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:10 pm to
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Dude. People get WHAT you're saying. They just don't know WHY you're saying it or why it's even relevant to this discussion.



...

The fricking thread is about the USA-Portugal matching drawing more viewers than the NBA Finals or the World Series. I just explained why.

That's why I'm saying it and that's why it's relevant. It's the whole point of the fricking thread.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:13 pm to
You're right. ESPN doesn't promote the NBA Finals or the World Series, so I now understand your point.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:16 pm to
Really? Over our head? Marketing helps drive ratings for all major sporting event broadcasts. Its not unique to the WC.
Posted by danfraz
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:31 pm to
I'll watch all of the USA matches, most ppl will fan or not.

the question is how many, like myself, will watch USA team but none of the other matches?

I have no interest in soccer, but I want to see how they do vs the world.

4 million Americans averaging on the other games is nothing in reality. Means its just a country bump, not a actual game bump
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