re: US High School Girl Runs 9:17 for 2 Miles

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they want to go do other shite that gets more likes and views on tik tok.

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Yea, thats a whole different thing than anything I've ever experienced. But I like tiktok likes too......

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This is such an ignorant statement. Did you run track? The guys/girls you train with become close friends and having them next to you during training and racing gives you the same feeling of comradery as any other sport. I never felt training was boring. Really difficult? Yes but training for most sports is difficult. I wasn't an Olympic hopeful but I had goals and pushed myself to try and meet those goals just like an athlete in any other sport. Swimming is the exact same way. I swim now with a Masters Team that has people competing in swim meets and triathlons and the social aspect of having a group of friends to train with makes the tough workouts much easier.

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Yeah, I did. I ran middle distance. I had scholarship offers to smaller schools my senior year and declined them. I had teammates I ran with that I considered closed friends, but track isn't a team sport like football, basketball, soccer and hockey. It's a largely solitary pursuit -- or it was for me.

I had to teammates that got scholarships to SEC schools and noped out after a year -- one to walk on and play football.

Your experience is different. You seem to like training more than I did. I hated to run. I loved to race.

The question I was answering regarded why promising athletes just disappear. I gave an opinion based on my experience that many individual athletes quit because they realize they aren't going to make it to a podium no matter how hard they train and move on with their lives. And that it is much easier to be a pretty good football player than it is to be a pretty good track athlete.

But it seems opinions vary.

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How are they putting up so much better times in the 800, 1500, and 2 mile now in your opinion?

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I'd say a big part is due to finally figuring out an efficacious way to use bicarb

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Sports science has come so far for running, maybe as much if not more so than any other sport. Its an exact science now.

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The times I was running at conference championships in the 10,000m would have me getting my arse absolutely whipped and embarrassed in the same conference these days. I do think the training mechanism has made huge strides (pardon the unintentional pun) in just the past 10 years.

I probably wouldn’t adapt to it well. I was just a constantly grind it out, heavy mileage guy. 100-110 miles a week during building a base training. No heart monitor stuff, even though they were part of training when I was competing, because I just didn’t want to jack with it.

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Just as bad, there’s no skill transfer because swimming the fricking butterfly is worthless in every other sport. Someone who is blessed with great speed and developed it at least has a chance to do something else if he’s not quite world class level because speed is widely valued in sports.

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Don't want to get into a swimming vs. running debate, but yes, running transfers better to other sports. Thats not even considering the field events, shot and discus are perfect off-season training for O-line.

And yes, training is so much better these days at the MS and HS level, its a difference game for elite runners.