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re: UNLV (3-0) starting QB leaves program immediately over NIL
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:15 am to Salamander_Wilson
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:15 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Yes. If you sign a contract under your own free will, you honor it.
If you do not, you are most decidedly lacking in character.
That goes both ways. If you hire somebody and don't pay the promised salary they are free to walk.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:19 am to UltimateHog
This is just a couple of years into the NIL idea. It will only get worse. Can't wait!
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:21 am to Nitrogen
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it seems like this all is a PR pissing contest
idk who to actually believe
Precisely what it feels like, which shows that the side with the actual PR capabilities is probably trying to get in front of something..
IMO, the QB and his family knows they're taking the nuclear route, I doubt they're doing so for simply more money and probably feel wronged to some extent.
But again, only they know. I think this story has a big impact on NIL and the transfer portal.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:22 am to lsufan1971
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Odds he is working at a Buc ee’s or Costco 4 years from now.
Which is probably why he is trying to get all he can in the one year or so he has with elgibility and the NIL
At best, he is a gimmicky QB if he even makes an NFL roster. Probably would have to be on the right team though. And not too many NFL teams want a guy like that. Can only think of 2
Let him max out his potential before taking a manager position at costco
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:30 am to lsufan1971
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This kid is going to find out the hard way. No one is going to trust him to live up to his word. Dude is getting drug all over X. Odds he is working at a Buc ee’s or Costco 4 years from now.
You never left a job for a better opportunity?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:32 am to Dr RC
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Considering this sounds kind of like what happened at Florida I think this is the likely scenario. We are going to get a lot more stories of boosters promising NIL money they don't actually have to give out.
I have a friend whose nephew plays major college baseball. He happened to be on a family vacation, with his nephew present, on the day or two leading up to the summer deadline of the transfer portal.
The day of the deadline the nephew gets a text from his buddy who had agreed to transfer to another school saying that school also wanted the nephew to transfer there, and the school was willing to "offer" a NIL deal of something around $100k. The nephew had his advisor flesh out that proposed offer and learned it was true. The other school did want him. However, the booster/collective indicated the NIL contract wouldn't be signed and go into effect until the date the nephew started at the new school.
So basically the kid had to decide in early July if he wanted to transfer, but the NIL contract wouldn't start until mid August. Thus, he would be deciding to transfer without a signed contract. Now, the verbal/text offer from the collective and acceptance by the kid absolutely could be held to be a binding agreement. But generally the collectives/boosters are very vague in the terms because the contracts can't be a pure "pay for play" contract. The length of these contracts are often very short as well (sometimes month to month)
I don't think what is alleged with the Florida kid is unique. Boosters are throwing out big number to induce the player to sign, then maybe trying to backtrack. Because these aren't "employment" contracts, but rather contracts for use of the players NIL, they are not as securely worded.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:32 am to Seeing Grey
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I think this story has a big impact on NIL and the transfer portal
Well supposedly he has a bigger offer to go play somewhere else. Which if true, would mean that someone is tampering. Going to be a lot of eyeballs on the school he transfers to.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:34 am to danilo
Huge difference between a football player and someone who sits at a desk. NFL players get shite on by their fans when they hold out every season.
Imagine putting your reputation on the line for a guy who can't even complete 50% of his passes.
Imagine putting your reputation on the line for a guy who can't even complete 50% of his passes.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 11:35 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:43 am to UltimateHog
I'm guessing this was his plan all along.
He played 4 years at Holy Cross and then had an opportunity to grad transfer to a bigger program for final year of eligibility.
UNLV was probably one of a few options, but had the best chance of self-promotion in the first few games of this season. He will now use that little bit of tape to get to an even bigger school. The 4 game redshirt rule allowed the first 3 games to be his "tryout" for even bigger programs.
He's likely not an NFL guy, so don't really hold it against him to capitalize and get something with his final year of eligibility. He bet on himself and the exposure he would get if he was successful, and it could payoff for him.
Had UNLV and Sluka played poorly in first 3 games, he likely just rides out the season at UNLV.
He played 4 years at Holy Cross and then had an opportunity to grad transfer to a bigger program for final year of eligibility.
UNLV was probably one of a few options, but had the best chance of self-promotion in the first few games of this season. He will now use that little bit of tape to get to an even bigger school. The 4 game redshirt rule allowed the first 3 games to be his "tryout" for even bigger programs.
He's likely not an NFL guy, so don't really hold it against him to capitalize and get something with his final year of eligibility. He bet on himself and the exposure he would get if he was successful, and it could payoff for him.
Had UNLV and Sluka played poorly in first 3 games, he likely just rides out the season at UNLV.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:44 am to Domeskeller
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We’ve all been waiting for the market to reset itself as far back as Nick Saban crossing the $1 million mark when he was hired at LSU after the 1999 season. But the market never resets itself in big-time college and pro sports.
Saban wasn't the first million dollar per year coach. Bobby Bowden got a million doller per year contract in the mid 90's and Steve Spurrier got the first $2 million / year contract in 1997.
Coaches have been on this track since Jackie Sherill left Pitt for Texas A&M in 1982 for the first contract over $1 million ($1.7 for 6 years). It'll never reset until there's a massive financial breakdown in the sport.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:46 am to Tiger Prawn
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Well supposedly he has a bigger offer to go play somewhere else. Which if true, would mean that someone is tampering. Going to be a lot of eyeballs on the school he transfers to
Which adds to why I think this is the straw that broke NIL camels back.
NIL, the transfer portal, verbal contracts, Conference realignments and NCAAF can not continue down this path. Public sentiment is highly negative and only growing.
At the end of the day, too much money is at stake. Some adult needs to step in and get things settled.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:55 am to Tiger Prawn
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Why not? Its an athletic scholarship. He's not injured. He's voluntarily quitting, therefore not holding up his end of the scholarship deal.
I wonder when we get to the pint where the bigger schools decide to completely decouple from the scholarship model and get players agree to non-scholarship all NIL deals to stack their rosters. They might have to consider hard roster limits instead of scholarship limits.
I'd imagine if we end up with collective bargaining, that might happen. At that point they'd be employees and would they really even need to be enrolled in school? Really, we'd be in a scenario where football is just university sponsored entertainment and could finally give up the idea that, at least at the top levels, most of these guys even care about getting an education.
College football may not be dead yet, but it's on life support.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:59 am to RolltidePA
The kid is a grad transfer and graduated from Holy Cross already. If it's true he was promised $100k and only received $3k to play at UNLV I highly doubt he gives a shite about whatever grad program they stuck him in.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:04 pm to UltimateHog
In 10 years college football won't even be about football anymore, they may not even play it. It'll just be whoever has the most NIL money automatically wins. Players won't have stats but how much money they've made on NIL and their deals. We just will watch live streams of them showing off money.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:08 pm to Nitrogen
I didn’t realize college players have agents now. That is unreal
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:14 pm to UltimateHog
So, UNLV is about to get hammered by NCAA because they used NIL as an inducement to attend school right?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:36 pm to Wabbit7
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In 10 years college football won't even be about football anymore
Huh? Players aren’t exactly wearing leather helmets, playing for school pride, just having fun while getting an education, coaches aren’t PE teachers, and corporations aren’t putting their names everywhere just for the love of football
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:40 pm to Boodis Man
quote:Ever since NIL.
I didn’t realize college players have agents now. That is unreal
You thought 17-19 year olds, some that can barely read at a junior high level, were getting 6 and 7 figure deals by themselves without having someone to negotiate or review the contracts on their behalf?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:47 pm to danilo
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Huh? Players aren’t exactly wearing leather helmets, playing for school pride, just having fun while getting an education, coaches aren’t PE teachers, and corporations aren’t putting their names everywhere just for the love of football
Who cares either way?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:07 pm to chalmetteowl
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Are NFL players’ characters flawed because they hold out
yes
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outperform their contracts
not a thing
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