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Posted by SmackDaniels
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:24 am to
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Even Kalib Starnes thought it was horrible


Starnes told Leites to quit being a pussy.
Posted by LuckyLee
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:24 am to
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man you guys would have boo'ed at helio gracie back in the day for fighting in a 3hr and 45 minute match.


I have no desire whatsoever to see a ~4 hr fight. I guess I'm just not as good of a MMA fan as you.
Posted by EMILIO
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Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:25 am to
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please explain the first 2 rounds before Leites starting flopping and Anderson refused to throw ANYTHING of significance


Seems to me that Silva is very diciplined on the fact that he is a counter-puncher. Leites obviously knew that, so the first couple of rounds was more of a chess match. Afer that, it seemed clear that they had too much respect for their opponent's skills. They both refused to play their opponent's game. This is what Silva tried to explain in the post fight interview. Not every fight can be everything a fan wants to see. I was disappointed like everyone else, but I respect the dicipline that was shown in this match. GSP would be a MUCH beter fight IMO.
Posted by Tino
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:26 am to
Anyone else laugh their arse off when Silva punched him in the thigh?
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69711 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:27 am to
no

its not like that at all. i must admit i really did like the kicks and punches to the knee cap leg area that is learned in more tma (traditional martial art) settings.
Posted by EMILIO
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:31 am to
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Anyone else laugh their arse off when Silva punched him in the thigh?



He definitely seemed frustrated. I think that was the gameplan though.
Posted by SmackDaniels
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Mar 2007
15383 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:32 am to
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And Silva in his post-fight remarks didn’t seem to concerned about the perception, saying fans sometimes just don’t get it. He’s right, but that fight was just downright painful to watch … maybe that’s what happens when a title challenger gets his big chance with a finish over Drew McFedries.


Good quote from mmamania.com
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61921 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 1:35 am to
I think they want the GSP vs. Silva matchup and didn't want a legit shot of Silva getting beat. I didn't think Leites deserved the shot. Then he gets the shot and pisses it away by not fighting for the belt. He will be even more upset when he realizes what he just threw away tonight with his strategy.
Posted by Raz
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 2:08 am to
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Afer that, it seemed clear that they had too much respect for their opponent's skills. They both refused to play their opponent's game


Yea... It was really painful to watch Silva completely outclass Leites in the standup, and yet not be able to put Leites in any danger whatsover in 5 rounds.

I guess Silva was just scared shitless of Leites's ground game, so he felt like he had to fight ultra-safe so Leites didn't get any takedown opportunities.

And about Leites... I don't care what arguments you make, you can't win a fight by standing there getting beat on, not throwing anything or working to get the game on the ground.
Posted by jsmoke222000
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 2:08 am to
CHAMP ANDERSON SILVA VS. THALES LEITES

Round 1 - Silva waits with his hands at his sides early in the fight. The first punch isn't thrown until a minute and 10 seconds into the round, and Silva misses wide with it. Leites goes with a kick that Silva stuffs. The crowd boos mightily as Silva remains extremely patient. Silva stalks and considers throwing a punch, but he's backed off when Leites fakes a flying knee. Halfway through the round, there's been virtually no offense. Silva finally lands a leg kick and then partially blocks Leites' high kick. Silva again stalks but throws no punches. Silva throws an uppercut that's blocked and then trips Leites with a leg kick and stands over him. The referee lets him back up, and Leites grabs a leg looking for the takedown. After fighting for it, he briefly tkaes the fight to the mat. Silva gets back to his feet, and the fighters clinch against the cage as a dreadfully bizarre first round comes to a close. MMAjunkie.com scores it 10-9 for Silva.

Round 2 - Both fighters are again slow to engage, and Silva doesn't throw his first kick until 30 seconds in. Leites catches the next one and puts Silva on his back. He frees a leg and works from half guard. He looks to improve the position, but Silva ties up his leg. Leites throw a short punch, but Silva reclaims full guard. Leites can't do anything with the position as Silva clings to him from below. A few hammerfists do little damage, and and when Leites stands over his opponent, Silva just misses an upkick. Silva works his way free, and we're back standing. Silva simply stands in front of Leites with hands at his side. If he's waiting to counter, Leites isn't giving him the opportunity. Silva again goes into stalking mode and backs Leites against the cage, but he doesn't throw anything. The crowd rightfully boos what's turning out to be a mockery of a main event. Leites throws a body kick that's blocked, and both fighters whiff on looping punches. Silva goes with a kick that's blocked, lands a leg kick and closes out the round showered in boos. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 10-9 for Leites, though it's hard to award a round to two fighters who aren't fighting.

Round 3 - A touch of gloves gets the third round underway, and Leites throws a leg kick. Silva blocks it and swings with a right and then knocks Leites off balance. Silva stands over him but opts not to do anything about it and lets Leites back up. Leites again trips to the mat when the fighters collide. Silva throws leg kick while standing over him and throws a hammerfists at his shins. Weird gets even weirder. After the referee allows Leites back up, he shoots for a single-leg takedown and then tries to pull guard. He misses, and Leites ends up on his back. Silva waits for him to get back up and then throws some leg kicks. Leites fakes a shoot, and the fighters trade leg kicks. Leites fails on another shot, and Silva walks away as he stands back up. Silva again stalks Leites and then clinches and throws him to the mat. The crowd boos, and Leites is allowed to stand again. The fighters trade low kicks before Silva goes high with one. Silva starts to connect on some punches and sneaks through an uppercut that connects. The jabs and leg kicks continue is Silva follows him around the cage. When Leites misses another takedown attempt, Silva turns his back and walks away. Leites shoots again and fails, and the referee allows him back up. MMAjunkie.com scores another odd round for Silva, 10-9.

Round 4 - We now enter championship-round terriroty with round four. Leites thinks about shooting but backs off when Silva scrambles away. Silva lands some low kicks and continues chopping away with front and side kicks to his opponent's shins. Silva starts bobbing his head like a dope and snapping off leg kicks. He's clearly toying with Leites now. Leites misses on a high kick. Silva answers with one that partially connects. Silva throws another front kick to the shin, apparently content with trying to break a leg. Silva throws leg kicks and short punches until Leites clinches and again tries to force the fight to the mat. Silva stuffs it and again throws side kicks to the shins. The people who paid perfectly good money for their seats let out some more boos. The pace slows, and "boring! boring!" chants fill the arena. Leites shoots and fails, and Silva stands over him and taunts him while slapping away his legs. Dreadful. Just dreadful. MMAjunkie.com scores it 10-9 for Silva.

Round 5 - Thankfully, this trainwreck is about over. A touch of gloves gets us underway, and Silva lands a leg kick. Leites becomes a little more aggressive, but neither fighter lands or even throws much. Leites shoots for the takedown, Silva avoids it, Leites again grabs a leg, but Silva collapses on top of him. Silva, though, gets back to his feet and waits for the referee to stand Leites. Back on the mat somehow, and hey look, Silva's throwing punches. Oh wait, he backs off and allows Leites to do the same. Perfectly reasonable "Bullsh--!" chants fill the arena with two-and-a-half minutes to go. Silva walks around and considers engaging before throwing a few jabs and fending off the latest Leites' takedown attempt. "GSP! GSP!" chants now rain down as we all think of better times. Leites shoots. He misses. And Silva swarms in! Oh wait, no he didn't. He backs off and waits for Leites to get back up. Silva catches a high kick and knocks Leites to the mat. Once back up Leites now has a steady flow of blood coming from his nose. Honestly, I'm bored even typing this. I can only imagine how the people must feel he dished money for their tickets and traveled hundreds of miles. Anyway, MMAjunkie.com scores it 10-9 for Silva, and this debacle is finally over.

Anderson Silva def. Thales Leites via unanimous decision (49-46, 48-47, 50-46).
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/19/09 at 2:13 am to
Just wondering what judge in his right mind could score that 48-47 when Leites did NOTHING the entire fight?
Posted by jsmoke222000
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2007
6309 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 2:18 am to
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Just wondering what judge in his right mind could score that 48-47 when Leites did NOTHING the entire fight?


+1
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81445 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 3:51 am to
so 2 complete shite performances by Silva in a row. He seems bored.
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8676 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 10:14 am to
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He seems bored.


That's the problem... he totally outclassed the last two fighters he faced. He needs to move up to 205 and fight someone that will not be scared of him. It doesn't have to be a current title contender. I'd go with Forrest Griffin or (even though I can't see the UFC doing it) Shogun.

Silva v GSP would be a relatively boring fight as GSP will not be able to physically maul someone so much larger than himself, and will tend to not engage. Plus they need to hold off on a top talent fight until Silva can regain some popularity.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30068 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 10:22 am to
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Just wondering what judge in his right mind could score that 48-47 when Leites did NOTHING the entire fight?



Yeah, I mentioned this before. I can actually see Leites winning rounds 1 and 2 on some cards, but at the same time Anderson HAD to have some 10 - 8 rounds after that. I don't think Thalas landed a strike or held on to Anderson for more then 15 seconds or so in the 3rd or 4th round. I would not disagree with Anderson getting a 10 - 8 in the 5th as well.

Personally....I want to see Anderson fight a name at 205 (someone like Rampage or Forrest), then fight GSP at 185, then fight for the title at 205 if he gets through that. I have a feeling he would then retire if he pulled that off.
This post was edited on 4/19/09 at 10:25 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27590 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 10:24 am to
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so 2 complete shite performances by Silva in a row. He seems bored.


I did not watch the Cote fight so I can't say, but last night I did not feel was shitty. It is MMA not a jiu-jitsu tournament. Why would Silva get on the ground with the guy? He beat his arse and picked him apart. And showed people a new move with that crazy straight knee kick.

Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30068 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 10:35 am to
By the way, a butterfly just landed on Chuck Liddell ........when he woke up, he asked "WHAT HAPPENED????"
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81445 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 11:10 am to
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I did not watch the Cote fight so I can't say, but last night I did not feel was shitty. It is MMA not a jiu-jitsu tournament


i didn't see either but the sherdog description of this fight called it possibly the worst title fight in UFC history
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81445 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 11:12 am to
anybody find any links to the fights post em up. i can only find this

Posted by Cody101786
Gray
Member since Jan 2005
1748 posts
Posted on 4/19/09 at 11:17 am to
LINK

This site has all the fights the next day
This post was edited on 4/19/09 at 11:19 am
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