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re: UFC 319 Thread - Dricus vs Khamzat
Posted on 8/18/25 at 8:56 am to migui8618
Posted on 8/18/25 at 8:56 am to migui8618
quote:He stood them up once in the middle of Khamzat and DDP both actively working. Khamzat then immediately took him down again. I don't think you guys realize how much he dominated that fight. It wasn't going to matter.
Several stand up's per round were needed. Hell, it might have given DDP a chance to time things better, sprawl, or catch him with a knee. Who knows.
And you can't stand someone up from a crucifix. That's a dominate position. The commentators even stated that they wouldn't be surprised to see the fight called to an end in that position if DDP didn't figure out how to defend himself, which he did by tucking his head.
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:32 am to migui8618
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There are specialized tournaments if the "technical mastery" crowd wants to watch exactly that. This is the UFC. The lowest common denominator wants to see blood. The lowest common denominator wants to see action.
in my experience fans dont mind wrestling if the guy is active and trying to win the fight. when you have a man in the crucifix for 15 minutes and basically control him the rest of the fight and he doesnt even have a scratch on his face? nah schevchenko shows how to do it... The crucifix is one of the worst positions to be in in the sport
Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:47 am to hashtag
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He stood them up once in the middle of Khamzat and DDP both actively working. Khamzat then immediately took him down again. I don't think you guys realize how much he dominated that fight. It wasn't going to matter.
Agreed. There were long stretches of the rounds where very little was going on. It wouldn't have mattered, but UFC needs way more of that.
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And you can't stand someone up from a crucifix. That's a dominate position. The commentators even stated that they wouldn't be surprised to see the fight called to an end in that position if DDP didn't figure out how to defend himself, which he did by tucking his head.
Also agreed. It was a dominant position. I don't know if we've ever seen a crucifix where all the guy had to do was tuck their head, and it was basically nullified.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 9:49 am to TackySweater
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Imagine looking for the refs in football to tell a team they have to stop successfully running the ball and force them to pass because they are too good at running lol
So we didn't just have an entire offseason dedicated to whether the Tush Push is going to be outlawed or not? Asking for a friend. The NFL has a Competition Committee for a reason. UFC needs one, bigly.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:02 am to migui8618
Listening to rogans pod with Matt Serra, Din Thomas, and Jim Norton from last week and they were all in on DDP pulling it out. Only Rogan said he wasn’t so sure 
Goes to show even the pros really don’t know what going to happen
Goes to show even the pros really don’t know what going to happen Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:15 am to cfish140
quote:it was pretty clear to me prior to the event that:
Listening to rogans pod with Matt Serra, Din Thomas, and Jim Norton from last week and they were all in on DDP pulling it out. Only Rogan said he wasn’t so sure Goes to show even the pros really don’t know what going to happen
1. A lot of people let their dislike of Khamzat cloud their judgment.
2. Others were afraid to choose Khamzat for some reason.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:19 am to hashtag
Seemed like most, including DDP and his camp thought Round 3 would look a lot more like Round 5 would and then drop off from there. They were patient and cautious, and it just didn't work out. His survival against a full gas tank Chimaev was impressive and something not many could do.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:21 am to migui8618
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So we didn't just have an entire offseason dedicated to whether the Tush Push is going to be outlawed or not? Asking for a friend. The NFL has a Competition Committee for a reason. UFC needs one, bigl
So one major aspect of mma and a whole fighting style is equivalent to one single play?
Should they outlaw rushing if a team can just rush all game?
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:26 am to migui8618
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There are specialized tournaments if the "technical mastery" crowd wants to watch exactly that. This is the UFC. The lowest common denominator wants to see blood. The lowest common denominator wants to see action.
Bingo, I want to watch a fricking fight. Not a wrestling match. And it turns out, most people don’t care for the wrestling either.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 10:28 am
Posted on 8/18/25 at 12:34 pm to grizzlylongcut
You should check out muay thai and kickboxing. You clearly don't like MMA.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:37 pm to hashtag
After hearing a few people say De Ridder may be a tough matchup for Khamzat, I decided to watch a few of his fights. Take a look at his 2 fights against Anatoly when he was with One. I get that it’s a completely different style, but he got absolutely destroyed, twice. I’d love to see this Anatoly cat come over to the UFC. He’s a beast!
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:52 pm to subotic
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ou should check out muay thai and kickboxing. You clearly don't like MMA.
again people dont mind wrestling. what they dont like is a guy rabbit punching a man in crucifix 500 times in 15 minutes and doing zero damage.
this is what his face looks like after absorbing 567 punches.
its a joke. people complain about strickland for the same boring shite just jabbing. its nothing to do with wrestling its not going for the finish or making it an exciting fight.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:15 pm to subotic
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You should check out muay thai and kickboxing. You clearly don't like MMA.
No, I enjoy MMA a lot. I really dislike watching someone just take it to the ground and sit there for the entirety of the fight but never try to accomplish more than maintaining position. Never try to finish, never try to do anything more than maintain ground control.
That’s boring as frick.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:43 pm to grizzlylongcut
Position before submission always
Go train no gi submission grappling and you’ll learn that. Strikes can make it easier to open up submissions but you run the risk of losing position
Go train no gi submission grappling and you’ll learn that. Strikes can make it easier to open up submissions but you run the risk of losing position
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:43 pm to diat150
Dricus should have taken risks to avoid being put in bad positions and held there for basically the entire fight. And he would have if he could I'm sure but he did all he could to not get ended and the fact he made it to the end of the fight is a testament to his skill and grit. It's not like Khamzat sat in full guard for 5 rounds...he aggressively took Dricus down and made him either turtle up or get crucified.
Why would Khamzat do anything differently when he can play his trump card and win a belt? Would anybody here not do the same? These are athletes trying to make money. And let's not forget that this dude has been in some very exciting fights.
Hate the guy for his style if you want but we have people saying we need to change the rules and have committees to force fighters to be more entertaining. That's bullshite, you incentivize entertainment, not punish somebody for being too good within the ruleset.
Why would Khamzat do anything differently when he can play his trump card and win a belt? Would anybody here not do the same? These are athletes trying to make money. And let's not forget that this dude has been in some very exciting fights.
Hate the guy for his style if you want but we have people saying we need to change the rules and have committees to force fighters to be more entertaining. That's bullshite, you incentivize entertainment, not punish somebody for being too good within the ruleset.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:49 pm to grizzlylongcut
Bro we just watched somebody get put in a crucifix 4 times. He didn't just try to maintain ground control, he got to the most advantageous top position 4 times. Other than that, Dricus turtled up and used the cage to keep Khamzat from getting hooks in and flattening him out. That was the majority of the fight.
Give props to Dricus for surviving. What Khamzat did was dominant and not passive.
Give props to Dricus for surviving. What Khamzat did was dominant and not passive.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:26 pm to lsucoonass
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Position before submission always
Go train no gi submission grappling and you’ll learn that. Strikes can make it easier to open up submissions but you run the risk of losing position
the problem is he had ddp in a crucifix for 15 minutes and couldnt end the fight. not every fight will be exciting... no doubt. but when you have such an advantage over someone in a fight which was clearly shown by multiple times in a crucifix... you need to end the fight or at least do some damage. look at the clip of the bullet she took andrade out in like 5 strikes.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:53 pm to migui8618
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That's where the Ref and the general rules of the UFC fail mightily. The crucifix was a dominating move, except...it did no technical damage.
I would argue that the majority of times a fighter gets someone in a crucifix, it's a fight ender. I don't think I've ever seen a fighter get stuck for so long in that position and manage to evade significant damage. It wasn't like Kumquat wasn't trying. Props to DDP for that. But standing a fighter up from a crucifix would be as ridiculous as standing a fighter up working a rear naked choke just because the other fighter is desperately fending him off. With each of those positions, the dominant fighter often is potentially seconds away from ending the fight. Saturday night was an aberrration. If it were any other fighter than DDP, the fight probably gets called. The argument can only be made in hindsight.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 6:08 pm to diat150
quote:yeah, but look at DDP after fighting Strickland "just jabbing"
people complain about strickland for the same boring shite just jabbing.
Strickland beat the shite out of DDP and got robbed
Posted on 8/18/25 at 6:18 pm to hashtag
It was a close fight. Strickland was also fricked up.
That’s why I said earlier in the thread that I think Strickland could be a tough matchup for chimaev. He has excellent takedown defense and when he does get taken down gets back up. His striking and defense is very crisp also.
For me, it’s all about trying to finish the fight. I have been a critic of Strickland, especially for that bullshite against costa and also now chimaev. I appreciate all styles of fighting but you have to be doing damage.
That’s why I said earlier in the thread that I think Strickland could be a tough matchup for chimaev. He has excellent takedown defense and when he does get taken down gets back up. His striking and defense is very crisp also.
For me, it’s all about trying to finish the fight. I have been a critic of Strickland, especially for that bullshite against costa and also now chimaev. I appreciate all styles of fighting but you have to be doing damage.
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