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re: UFC 140 - Jones vs. Machida - Toronto, Canada - Saturday, December 10th @ 7:00E
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:29 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:29 pm to PortCityTiger24
I've seen a couple but I mean I base what I see off their last fights. I just think Phil Davis needs the takedown and I don't see that happening against Jones.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:30 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Jones is better, no doubt about it. Davis would give him the most problems physically.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:34 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:I don't find Anderson to be particularly athletic... I mean he's athletic enough, but no more so than your average fighter.
Anderson is essentially the Jon Jones of the middleweight division. That tall lanky frame and being very athletic is the best frame for mma. I think Jones would beat Anderson with his wrestling but in the standup I would never bet against Anderson.
He's just really good.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:34 pm to PortCityTiger24
true but I just don't think he could take jones down and I think Jones would demolish him on the feet.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:35 pm to Carlton Banks
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I'm wondering if it is possible to only ban "slicing" elbows. I think "smashing" elbows should still be legal. Elbows that smash down into the face aren't intended to cut. Slicing elbows are intentionally used to open up cuts.
Hard to rule between the two though. Hard to prove intent. You could be just trying to smash a guy and if the point of your lbow catches him right he is cut. Just think it took away from this fight. Machida probably still loses but it definitely took away his Mojo.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:36 pm to Carlton Banks
Anyone got the Mir gif yet?
And Jones would not beat Silva at this point in his career. Silva would knock him out in 3 rounds tops.
And Jones would not beat Silva at this point in his career. Silva would knock him out in 3 rounds tops.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:36 pm to Carlton Banks
what differentiates anderson from other fighters is his punches are so crisp and fluid. They aren't your basic punches and kicks you see from other fighters.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:38 pm to LSU alum wannabe
A fight can be ruined because of a lame cut. I think ground elbows should be taken out and keep standing elbows.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:40 pm to Mikes My Tiger
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And Jones would not beat Silva at this point in his career. Silva would knock him out in 3 rounds tops.
Disagree. And Jones now has 16 professional fights and a greco roman background before that.
I would take Jones to beat Silva right now. 60/40 or 65/35.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:40 pm to Carlton Banks
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I don't find Anderson to be particularly athletic...
He's pretty athletic
His hand speed and head movement is first rate. Lyoto is A. Silva with a weaker chin and better TD defense. If jones stood with A. Silva he would get KTFO. JJ is too smart for that though. He would elbow the frick out of him on the ground.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:42 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Why are people going on and on about elbows? The cut didn't factor in to the fight. Lyoto was dropped then submitted.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:43 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
exactly he'd follow the chael sonnen strat and I don't think Anderson could stop Jones takedown. I only think heavyweights could beat this guy. A JDS vs Jones fight would be amazing.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:44 pm to Mikes My Tiger
I've always been against elbows very rarely do you see a knockout with an elbow but they can cause problematic cuts.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:47 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:He's good... but his secret is the most important thing that a fighter needs to become a great fighter: timing.
what differentiates anderson from other fighters is his punches are so crisp and fluid. They aren't your basic punches and kicks you see from other fighters.
He's got things that can't be taught. His timing is incredible. It's almost as if he's a step ahead of his opponents as if he knows what they are going to do before they do it.
There are fighters who are better physically and punch harder and have faster strikes. But that doesn't matter because he has great timing and accuracy to make up for that.
And I agree that he is extremely fluid. It's not as if he learned to strike in a gym and it's all just things he's rehearsed before. It's as if he is "like water", as Bruce Lee said. He lets the fight flow which is why he has wins in so many different ways.
This post was edited on 12/10/11 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:47 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Disagree. And Jones now has 16 professional fights and a greco roman background before that. I would take Jones to beat Silva right now. 60/40 or 65/35.
His only chance would be to GnP him. He couldn't hang with Silva on his feet for too long. Silva is too accurate and has KO power.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:48 pm to Mikes My Tiger
Did the fight finish? If not can someone send me a link?
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:48 pm to Mikes My Tiger
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Why are people going on and on about elbows? The cut didn't factor in to the fight. Lyoto was dropped then submitted.
He was shut down by the blood, and blood in his eye. True he was dropped. That was just luck in a fight. It was a "bang bang" strike. Both guys were throwing. Machida's was just a hair off. But the cut I feel played into it some. Machida was just looking to get to the corner after that shot and get that glob of vaseline on there that lasts 10 seconds.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:50 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
quote:His hand speed isn't incredible. His head movement is very good.
He's pretty athletic His hand speed and head movement is first rate. Lyoto is A. Silva with a weaker chin and better TD defense. If jones stood with A. Silva he would get KTFO. JJ is too smart for that though. He would elbow the frick out of him on the ground.
But he still isn't a raw athlete.
And Anderson and Lyoto are nothing alike... at all. Their styles are completely different.
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:53 pm to Mikes My Tiger
well if you cant see whats coming you are bound to get dropped
Posted on 12/10/11 at 10:54 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:The blood wasn't in his eye. That is what the doctor was checking for.
He was shut down by the blood, and blood in his eye. True he was dropped. That was just luck in a fight. It was a "bang bang" strike. Both guys were throwing. Machida's was just a hair off. But the cut I feel played into it some. Machida was just looking to get to the corner after that shot and get that glob of vaseline on there that lasts 10 seconds.
And there is no such thing as luck in a fight. If you got hit, then you made a mistake.
Jones blocked his punch and Machida didn't keep his chin down and hand up and got caught with a left.
He made a mistake and paid the price.
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