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re: thoughts on this picture
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:50 pm to TexasTiger08
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:50 pm to TexasTiger08
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This all could have, and should have been avoided, but a group of about 4 guys screwed it all up.
I have to disagree. Yes, (at least) 4 guys screwed it all up. But, they were emboldened by a very large community that had its priorities screwed up when considering the role of a football team within the framework of a University.
It's an overused phrase, but thousands and thousands nurtured this culture that made such a screw up justifiable in the minds of those 4 guys.
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:52 pm to TexasTiger08
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I feel bad for all involved. None of them signed up for this gig, from the molestation victims onward. This all could have, and should have been avoided, but a group of about 4 guys screwed it all up.
Besides the actually molestation victimes, they'll all get over and life will go on. Players will transfer, fans will move on or handle it, etc.
You guys are just a bunch of PC pussies that cry whenever the Universe isn't "fair".
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:52 pm to Philosoraptor
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People on here that feel bad for the football players and the fans need to STFU already.
Yeah...just silence everyone...let your anger flow...everyone is guilty...all the fans and players are evil. They should just take your abuse. Because you and every other fanbase is perfect and noble...this could never be your fanbase.
Self-righteous hypocrites.
Go back to watch your hero Nancy Grace.
And by the way, Schadenfreude is a sin..."most evil sin of human feeling." So at least you're a sinner in this whole scandal unlike some of the PSU fans.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:53 pm to Sophandros
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BUT, here's something to consider. Should Penn State alumni, particularly recent alumni, sue Penn State in the event that the school loses its accreditation, which would cause the value of their degree to plummet?
Why would it? Penn State was accredited at the time the degree was conferred, so what would change the value of their degrees?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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Penn State was accredited at the time the degree was conferred, so what would change the value of their degrees?
It's an additional obstacle in their job search.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:58 pm to Zamoro10
Zamoro, I am only slightly on your side. I don't like the 'holier than thou' attitude the entire nation is espousing here. The student and fan reaction is exactly what would happen anywhere with a big time program like PSU.
It's a shitty situation overall. For the players, for the casual fans. Everyone. But unfortunately that's the situation they are dealing with...and they gotta deal with it. Collateral damage is a part of life. Life isn't fair. There are always bad apples who ruin it for the majority.
It's a shitty situation overall. For the players, for the casual fans. Everyone. But unfortunately that's the situation they are dealing with...and they gotta deal with it. Collateral damage is a part of life. Life isn't fair. There are always bad apples who ruin it for the majority.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:59 pm to Pilot Tiger
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Penn St vs the World
They sound like Saints fans.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:00 pm to 12
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You are on a roll today. First the Golden Corral comment and now this.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:05 pm to Sophandros
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It's an additional obstacle in their job search.
I won't argue that, but their degree technically has the same value it had before. I definitely see where you're coming from though. I'm glad I'm not associated with it.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:07 pm to Zamoro10
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Because you and every other fanbase is perfect and noble...this could never be your fanbase.
Considering no other program has had the same coach for 60 years that controls everything within the University, it couldn't be.
This literally couldn't happen anywhere else. Although I'm not shocked at your condescension.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:08 pm to Zamoro10
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Schadenfreude
I take no pleasure in what the "fans" and the school are going through.
I just think it's not as big of a deal as you and other make it out to be.
After all, it is just a sport that we are talking about.
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Go back to watch your hero Nancy Grace.
Dude, you are hilarious. Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:11 pm to MStreetTiger
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It's an overused phrase, but thousands and thousands nurtured this culture that made such a screw up justifiable in the minds of those 4 guys.
I guess if I was more near the situation I would understand it. Having never done more than drive by the campus, I don't know how deep the cult mentality is.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:13 pm to Philosoraptor
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You guys are just a bunch of PC pussies that cry whenever the Universe isn't "fair".
Like I said...I favored the Death Penalty. Instead of lethal injection, they are allowing them to bleed out.
For people who want to move on quickly and repair the image, I think the Death Penalty allowed for a quicker turnaround.
Pussy? That's a strong word. And I am the last person who tends to be associated with PC.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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Considering no other program has had the same coach for 60 years that controls everything within the University, it couldn't be. This literally couldn't happen anywhere else. Although I'm not shocked at your condescension.
Right...Paterno is the ONLY reason this happened.
It could be going on right this minute at ANY university that puts football (or another major sport) on a pedestal.
That includes damn near anybody in the SEC except maybe Vanderbilt, everybody in the Big Ten except maybe Northwestern, everybody in the Big 12, Pac-10, etc.
The fact that JoePa was there didn't make the situation happen, it just fueled it. Pedophiles could be anywhere.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:19 pm to TexasTiger08
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The fact that JoePa was there didn't make the situation happen, it just fueled it. Pedophiles could be anywhere.
It's not about the pedophile, it's about the massive cover up of the pedophile that for all intents and purposes was orchestrated by JoePa. No other coach has that kind of power, none.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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No other coach has that kind of power, none.
This. Other coaches are immensely powerful, but they are not untouchable like Joepa was.
No other coach in the country could let his program slip from competitiveness for years, and THEN tell his bosses to frick off when they come to his house, hat in hand, and ask him to step down. Hell - most "football-mad" fan-bases out there want their beloved god-status coach fired after one or two bad seasons. Joepa let PSU slip from national title contender to mediocrity AND he harbored a child rapist for over a decade and they still love and defend him!
Sorry, but that truly is unique in major college sports.
ETA: I don't believe JoePa orchestrated the cover up. He didn't have to. I believe he said "keep it in house", since that was his philosophy for all problems with the program, and it was dutifully done by the people who were supposed to be his fricking superiors.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:31 pm to EastcoastEER
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Sorry, but that truly is unique in major college sports.
It is...but I could see a joint cover up going on. I don't think any coach now can tell em all to screw it, but I could see people trying to keep a guy around for someone with Saban's status.
He is about as big of a figurehead as it gets these days.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:42 pm to EastcoastEER
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Other coaches are immensely powerful, but they are not untouchable like Joepa was.
Agreed. Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight had cult-like followers of their programs, yet they were fired quickly for striking players. Even the fans opposed to those firings moved on after the initial blowback.
The Penn State situation is so much worse, yet there seems to be a sizable portion of their community determined to foster a siege mentality, despite the preponderance of evidence.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:51 am to TexasTiger08
I love the fact that they took the wins away and fined the football program 60 million all the rest of the stuff is over the top with all of the sick grown arse men gone that were part of the cover up. That's just my opinion and I hope penn state university moves on a rebuilds it's tradition but would love to hear more of their fans move on and talk about the school and team in the future and quit worrying about the past so much. Who cares if they take away joepas victories, I know he didn't do the act, but he defiantly deserves to lose many wins and any type of lasting legacy he may have. I'm sure he did many great things but this is one of the few acts that can completely overshadow all other good things he has done. I believe joepa was probably a good man in most accounts despite this crazy cover up. I just wish I knew his thinking process when all of this came forward many years ago. I just don't understand how you can keep this quiet and say nothing.
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