re: This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way

By any and every measure of individual performance Peyton Manning is the greatest QB ever.

Ahmad Brahshaw>Adrian Peterson
Robert Horry>Michael Jordan
Andy Pettite>Greg Maddux

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No it's not.

Of course he gets credit for making the Super Bowl. And he beat Tom Brady and the Patriots along the way, who have always been sort of a nemeses for him.

However, losing by 5 touchdowns in the Super Bowl AS THE FAVORITE is going to affect things a little bit for me too. Does it mean he's a choke artist and out of the discussion for the greatest of all-time? Of course not. He's one of the best that have ever played the position. Without a doubt in my top five.

However, throughout his career, when he goes up against a really good, physical, fast defense, he hasn't come up big individually. Tonight, on the biggest stage, that was once again magnified.

Once again, making another Super Bowl is great for his legacy, but to sit there and act like a five touchdown blowout loss in which he played very poor individually can't partly negatively affect someone's view of Peyton Manning is really silly to me.

Throughout his career, he hasn't been great in big games. And can't that be one of the criteria someone uses when judging a quarterback? In the biggest games of the season for the Broncos, they scored 24, 26, and 8. A far cry from the 40-point games they were putting up in the regular season against mediocre competition at best.

The Broncos beat one team all regular season that won 10 games. The Chiefs. They ran up points on mediocre teams. Manning is an all-time great, but to me, he is a frontrunner who isn't an all-time great when he faces adversity. THAT will stick with me when I judge Peyton Manning's "legacy."

How other people judge him is up to them.

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It's very real. I feel like Peyton sort of got used to losing all the way back in college. He could never win the big game even then.

On the other hand, a guy like Tom Brady came into the league and won right away. So right away, nothing less than winning was acceptable. He is one of the most fiery and competitive guys in the league, simply because that's all he has known from a young age. When he loses, it's not the norm for him. It eats at him. When Peyton loses, it's just what he's used to.

That might sound dumb, but I truly believe it. Peyton is a frontrunner.

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It has been opined that Manning grew up pretty pampered as Archie's son - NFL QB - and those weird stories that he didn't know how to open a can of soup in college and that his Mom did his laundry.

I don't know if that has anything to do with it - but coming from a "heritage name" - maybe that fire isn't there.

Maybe that "it factor" isn't cultivated like in the small poor blue-collar Pennsylvanian towns of Montana and Namath.

Just a theory - could be b.s. - but this idea that losing is jsut X's and O's to him - and not personal - is a tangible sentiment you get from him.

He doesn't have the fire - and his "liquored up kicker" took heat for saying that after he saw it firsthand.

Manning doesn't have the chip on his shoulder out to prove the world wrong...like Brady and others.

I don't know - it's an interesting topic.

Manning is great regular season...and overall his one of the best ever.

But he just has never inspired confidence...he is missing that "it" chromosome.

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postseason stats

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Kurt Warner #1 QB of all time?
John Riggins #1 RB of all time?

Also considering the opponents I Peyton's postseason stats are probable the best.

You could argue....in fact I would argue, that Kurt Warner is the greatest Super Bowl performer in the history of the game.

That doesn't make Peyton's playoff history better.


And by the way, ask Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly if getting to the Super Bowl and never winning is the greatest thing ever.
In fact you could stay right in Denver and ask John Elway what it meant to finally win it.

I think you are the one not getting it.

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Agreed. He's a goat.

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FIFY

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No matter how good you're expected to be, and no matter how hard people like you try to undersell a quarterback's accomplishments, getting to the Super Bowl is a really really really good feat that never does anything to negatively affect a player's career and/or legacy.

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Not true at all. Ken Anderson played for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1971-1986. He was the NFL MVP in 1981, led the league in passing in 1974 and 1975, and appeared in the Pro Bowl on four different occasions. His numbers are very comparable to Terry Bradshaw's. In fact...his numbers are slightly better than Bradshaw's in many areas.

HOWEVER. His one and only Super Bowl appearance was a loss in Super Bowl XVI to Joe Montana and the San Francisco 49ers. While his numbers are as good or better than those of Terry Bradshaw, and while he has a Super Bowl appearance on his resume, he has not been nor ever will be inducted into the NFL Football Hall of Fame. Bradshaw was a 1st ballot HOFer.

Rightly or wrongly, a player's legacy is greatly affected by a loss in the Super Bowl. It's never enough just to get there unless you do it on multiple occasions.

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You don't get it.

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yeah you're right. This game will never be talked about negatively when discussing Manning's legacy. Keep saying I don't get it though. It's a solid argument.

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HOWEVER. His one and only Super Bowl appearance was a loss in Super Bowl XVI to Joe Montana and the San Francisco 49ers.

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Does that reduce the amount of Pro Bowl appearances he made?

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Rightly or wrongly, a player's legacy is greatly affected by a loss in the Super Bowl.

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You're wrong. Your argument is complete nonsense.

Going to the Super Bowl is never bad. It is always good. Manning had a better performance tonight than 30 starting QB's.