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re: This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to MI LSU
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to MI LSU
And how can people still use the excuse that Peyton doesn't have enough help when this same team won a division title and playoff game (against the #1 defense that season) with Tebow's worthless arse? 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:26 pm to SettleDown
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No one denies his regular season prowess. That's what makes the DRAMATIC fall of in his career numbers from regular season vs the postseason such an issue. If you have an A+ QB, you're kind of hoping for that postseason.
The question of choking for ANY player is how does his performance in such situations compare to HIS typical performance.
No-one thinks the 225 hitter hitting career 225 in the postseason is choking but, the career 315 hitter doing so it's another story.
In fact, if the career 225 hitter is career 275 postseason, one might say he "steps up" in the post season while 275 from the typical 315 hitter would be considered disappointing.
Some guys step up. Some don't. Manning doesn't.
Mediocre QB puts up good stats in playoffs = Clutch Playoff God!!!!!
Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:29 pm to Korin
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And how can people still use the excuse that Peyton doesn't have enough help when this same team won a division title and playoff game (against the #1 defense that season) with Tebow's worthless arse?
That team with Von Miller, Willis Mcgahee, Champ Bailey and Ryan Clady was far better than this team
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to boom roasted
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He's saying Peyton could have thrown 12 INTs and 0 TDs and his legacy would not have been tarnished. It can only go up, never down, because it's Peyton.
That's when you know the dude is either a tard or just trolling. I'm pissed now that I spent time responding to this nonsense.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!
Where are the good stats you talk about?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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VerlanderBEAST
Keep up the good fight
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:35 pm to offshoretrash
quote:He has the the 10th highest Playoff QB rating. He's 4 spots below the mad crazy clutch QB like Mark Sanchez YO!!!!
Where are the good stats you talk about?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:41 pm to offshoretrash
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Where are the good stats you talk about?
Well maybe he thinks 3 TDs to 6 turnovers in SB appearances = good?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:43 pm to Korin
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Well maybe he thinks 3 TDs to 6 turnovers in SB appearances = good?
Justin Tuck>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bruce Smith Foreal yo!!!!
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
"Having twice as many turnovers as touchdowns in the SB means he's the goat, yo!!!" 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:54 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!
Find one person in this thread that called Joe Montana that.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Justin Tuck>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bruce Smith Foreal yo!!!!
I'm confused here as to what we are using to determine PM or any other QB legacy? Is it stats? Win and losses? Play off appearance? Playoff wins? Super bowl wins? I don't know what you guys want.
The measuring stick of all NFL QBs has always been Playoff and Super bowl stats and wins. If PM had came out and threw 350yds with 4 tds and still lost then yeah I would say he proved himself. He did everything he could to win and his legacy will continue to grow. But he laid an egg and this will not go over well until he redeems himself.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to Korin
So is Justin Tuck better than Bruce Smith? Yes or no?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Mediocre QB puts up good stats in playoffs = Clutch Playoff God!!!!!
Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!
Why are you laughing? Do you not understand what "choking" is? Choking is an inability to play to one's abilities in certain situations.
Hence, if by some odd twist of fate after 500 injuries, I was put in at QB for the SB and performed like Peyton, people would say, "damn, that dude played over his head and didn't succumb to the pressure".
If choking wasn't measured against one's own abilities, then no pro in history can be said to have "choked" because no matter how bad he played, he's still better than 99.9% of other humans would've been.
Oh. And Manning's overall career postseason stats aren't "good". They aren't horrible, but they aren't good. They look a lot like the stats of probably 30 other guys who have played QB in the post season. Sure, he's been there more often(cause he's a great damned QB in the regular season).....and that's sort of the point. He's not supposed to get to the post season and turn into all the other guys who barely ever get there.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Moving the posts now. 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:02 pm to offshoretrash
quote:I say the discussion is about whether the Peyton Manning of the regular season "shows up" in the post season. Clearly, the stats say not even close.
I'm confused here as to what we are using to determine PM or any other QB legacy? Is it stats? Win and losses? Play off appearance? Playoff wins? Super bowl wins? I don't know what you guys want.
Hence, the fact he has lost games is subservient to the above. It's a team sport so yeah, you could play to your own standard and still lose. But, comparing HIS OWN stats to himself in the post season is perfectly fair given that he didn't switch teams every year when the playoffs started.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:02 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:If you're going ONLY by won loss. Of course, no one but you is doing that.
So is Justin Tuck better than Bruce Smith? Yes or no?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:05 pm to SettleDown
quote:Not just win/loss, Tuck has better Super Bowl Stats too, eventhough his regular season is worse. So clearly the Super bowl was just too big for that choker Irvin, so Tuck is better.
If you're going ONLY by won loss. Of course, no one but you is doing that
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