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re: This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way

Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to
And how can people still use the excuse that Peyton doesn't have enough help when this same team won a division title and playoff game (against the #1 defense that season) with Tebow's worthless arse?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:26 pm to
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No one denies his regular season prowess. That's what makes the DRAMATIC fall of in his career numbers from regular season vs the postseason such an issue. If you have an A+ QB, you're kind of hoping for that postseason.

The question of choking for ANY player is how does his performance in such situations compare to HIS typical performance.

No-one thinks the 225 hitter hitting career 225 in the postseason is choking but, the career 315 hitter doing so it's another story.

In fact, if the career 225 hitter is career 275 postseason, one might say he "steps up" in the post season while 275 from the typical 315 hitter would be considered disappointing.

Some guys step up. Some don't. Manning doesn't.


Mediocre QB puts up good stats in playoffs = Clutch Playoff God!!!!!

Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!

Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:29 pm to
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And how can people still use the excuse that Peyton doesn't have enough help when this same team won a division title and playoff game (against the #1 defense that season) with Tebow's worthless arse?


That team with Von Miller, Willis Mcgahee, Champ Bailey and Ryan Clady was far better than this team
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to
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Willis Mcgahee
Posted by MI LSU
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to
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He's saying Peyton could have thrown 12 INTs and 0 TDs and his legacy would not have been tarnished. It can only go up, never down, because it's Peyton.


That's when you know the dude is either a tard or just trolling. I'm pissed now that I spent time responding to this nonsense.
Posted by offshoretrash
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to
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Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!


Where are the good stats you talk about?
Posted by Vegas Eddie
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:32 pm to
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VerlanderBEAST




Keep up the good fight
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:35 pm to
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Where are the good stats you talk about?
He has the the 10th highest Playoff QB rating. He's 4 spots below the mad crazy clutch QB like Mark Sanchez YO!!!!
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:41 pm to
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Where are the good stats you talk about?

Well maybe he thinks 3 TDs to 6 turnovers in SB appearances = good?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:43 pm to
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Well maybe he thinks 3 TDs to 6 turnovers in SB appearances = good?


Justin Tuck>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bruce Smith Foreal yo!!!!
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:51 pm to
"Having twice as many turnovers as touchdowns in the SB means he's the goat, yo!!!"
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:54 pm to
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Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!!


Find one person in this thread that called Joe Montana that.
Posted by offshoretrash
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to
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Justin Tuck>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bruce Smith Foreal yo!!!!


I'm confused here as to what we are using to determine PM or any other QB legacy? Is it stats? Win and losses? Play off appearance? Playoff wins? Super bowl wins? I don't know what you guys want.

The measuring stick of all NFL QBs has always been Playoff and Super bowl stats and wins. If PM had came out and threw 350yds with 4 tds and still lost then yeah I would say he proved himself. He did everything he could to win and his legacy will continue to grow. But he laid an egg and this will not go over well until he redeems himself.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to
So is Justin Tuck better than Bruce Smith? Yes or no?
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:58 pm to
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Mediocre QB puts up good stats in playoffs = Clutch Playoff God!!!!!

Best QB ever puts up good stats in playoffs = choking pussy bitch!!!!


Why are you laughing? Do you not understand what "choking" is? Choking is an inability to play to one's abilities in certain situations.

Hence, if by some odd twist of fate after 500 injuries, I was put in at QB for the SB and performed like Peyton, people would say, "damn, that dude played over his head and didn't succumb to the pressure".

If choking wasn't measured against one's own abilities, then no pro in history can be said to have "choked" because no matter how bad he played, he's still better than 99.9% of other humans would've been.

Oh. And Manning's overall career postseason stats aren't "good". They aren't horrible, but they aren't good. They look a lot like the stats of probably 30 other guys who have played QB in the post season. Sure, he's been there more often(cause he's a great damned QB in the regular season).....and that's sort of the point. He's not supposed to get to the post season and turn into all the other guys who barely ever get there.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:59 pm to
Moving the posts now.
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:02 pm to
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Moving the posts now.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:02 pm to
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I'm confused here as to what we are using to determine PM or any other QB legacy? Is it stats? Win and losses? Play off appearance? Playoff wins? Super bowl wins? I don't know what you guys want.

I say the discussion is about whether the Peyton Manning of the regular season "shows up" in the post season. Clearly, the stats say not even close.

Hence, the fact he has lost games is subservient to the above. It's a team sport so yeah, you could play to your own standard and still lose. But, comparing HIS OWN stats to himself in the post season is perfectly fair given that he didn't switch teams every year when the playoffs started.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:02 pm to
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So is Justin Tuck better than Bruce Smith? Yes or no?

If you're going ONLY by won loss. Of course, no one but you is doing that.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:05 pm to
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If you're going ONLY by won loss. Of course, no one but you is doing that
Not just win/loss, Tuck has better Super Bowl Stats too, eventhough his regular season is worse. So clearly the Super bowl was just too big for that choker Irvin, so Tuck is better.
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