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re: This head coach for Chargers should be fired immediately

Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:24 am to
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I've pointed out in this thread(and every other thread on this topic lol) but the issue is people compare NOT making the 2pt conversion going for it the 1st time to either making it having the chance to make it the 2nd time.

That's their major mistake. You either compare making in both scenarios or missing in both scenarios, anything else is pointless


Yeah, and relatedly, really the only argument in favor of going for it after the second is the “momentum” will be so strong at that point you’d be more likely to get it. And I find that dubious at best - if anything, I’d say the D might try to lock down even more at that point and stop it (e.g., last night, if the Chargers kicked the XP first and waited to go for two on what turned out to be the last play of regulation, possibly the Raiders defense buckles down since they know it’s the final play of regulation and they win with a stop).

But in reality, probably no real difference in odds with going for it at either time, so better to do it after the first TD so you know exactly what you need for the remainder of the game.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36430 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:47 am to
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Time does play a factor because I'm not sure analytics can factor in pressure on the other team. Pressure effects play...I feel much better up two scores with 4 minutes than up one score.

If there is 10 minutes left then by all means go for 2. I don't think it is the slam dunk everyone thinks it is.


I think that’s fair when there’s literally no strategy to make (e.g., less than 2 minutes left and no timeouts, you’re kicking the onside kick whether you’re down 9, 8 or 7). So sure, in that case, kick the XP if you think that’ll help your players play better/get you back into the end zone again.

But these guys are professional athletes and I think not as impacted mentally by these things as we expect. And with more than 4 minutes left and all 3 timeouts, there are multiple strategic options still in play.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35785 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 1:10 pm to
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I feel much better up two scores with 4 minutes than up one score.


That's weird. Most people I know prefer their team to be up by the fewest points possible late in a game.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:24 pm to
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We have millions of people in our society who believe covid vaccines kill more people than covid.


A good buddy of mine passed away recently. Everyone knows what happen. Was a massive heart attack.

Was with another buddy for New Year’s Eve. This dude is like big time right wing conspiracy theorist type. We started talking about our buddy who passed away and this dude completely serious said our buddy probably died from getting the vaccine.

Now our buddy who passed away was big time right wing Trump supporter type and there is no evidence he was vaccinated. Was the kind of guy that absolutely would have been against this vaccine purely for political reasons like most people lol. But yeah, people and their beliefs man.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 3:35 pm to
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there is literally no defense for that timeout


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The last timeout called by the chargers was just unexplainable. That timeout most likely cost his team a shot in the playoffs


Knee jerk reaction. Think about it for a second and the timeout changed absolutely nothing. Not like Raiders did anything special after timeout.

Chargers just have worst run defense in the league and couldn’t stop the Raiders knowing what was coming. The reason Chargers called timeout was purely to make sure they had better run stopping personnel in game.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:08 pm to
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Its a 15 pt lead they score and kick XP its a 8 pt game if they go for 2 and miss it its a 9 pt game. Would you rather have a 8 pt game or 9 pt game if your the team thats behind? If you say a 9 pt game your dumber than a box of rocks
I'm just gonna copy paste... I've pointed out in this thread(and every other thread on this topic lol) but the issue is people compare NOT making the 2pt conversion going for it the 1st time to either making it having the chance to make it the 2nd time

Your 1st point specifically mentioned being down 9, so you missed the 2pt conversion. The only logical comparison you can then make is comparing it to missing the 2pt conversion after the 2nd TD.

To address the question of would you rather be down 9 or 8, the obvious answer is would you rather be down 8 or 7? To quote you, if you say you'd rather be down 8, you're dumber than a box of rocks... so now what?
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 8:10 pm to
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I feel much better up two scores with 4 minutes than up one score
Again, the correct comparison is do you feel better being up by 9 with 4 minutes to go or up by 2 with 30 seconds or so to go.
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