re: The "U" 30 for 30

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I said earlier that the director made the Cocaine Cowboys documentaries where he glorified drug dealers and murderers, and it was a big hit with the streets. I'm sure this was a hit too.

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@Enrique

Sorry, I missed your earlier comment. I think you hit the nail on the head, though.

I thought it was a pretty good documentary that made me think of some stuff that I didn't think about before watching it.

1) Miami was a great team that loved to talk a lot of trash, but couldn't handle it when somebody beat them. If you are gonna act all tough, then don't CRY when Penn St. shut you up and you got beat.

2) Miami won almost all of their big games in the state of Florida. If they had to play outside of the Orange Bowl, they had a lot harder time winning. Look at the 1986 Fiesta Bowl and 1993 Sugar Bowl when they were the overwhelming favorites to win both games. Also, the 2003 Fiesta Bowl can be added and the 1988 Notre Dame game.

3) Miami was probably one of the biggest cheaters in the 1980s. Why should they be considered one of the greatest dynasties when they cheated so much. How hard was it to recruit those kind of kids when you are going to line their pockets. I thought that was the most disgraceful thing Miami did. I don't have a problem with the on the field antics.

4) Butch Davis was not the reason the program took a down turn in the mid 90s. It was because of the sanctions and bad publicity the U received. It took Butch about 5 years to clean up the mess that Erickson left behind. Once he did, Miami was as strong as ever if not stronger than they were in the 80s. If Butch would have stuck around, then there is no telling how many National Titles he would have won. Also, Butch was winning the right way.

5) Coker ran that program into the ground after Butch left.

6) Why were they interviewing players from the U that had nothing to do with the time period being covered. Why interview Vilma, Santana Moss, Shockey, and others, when the film pretty much stopped after the 1992 season?

7) Wasn't Randall Hill the player that couldn't hack it in the NFL because he was afraid of getting hit and wouldn't cross the middle.

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miami doesn't cheat anymore than any other program

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That is the biggest BS argument I have ever heard.

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miami doesn't cheat anymore than any other program




That is the biggest BS argument I have ever heard.

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He's right. A lot of college athletes are getting PAID under the table. How do you think certain athletes from poor areas and single family homes can afford nice cars, rims, bling bling, etc.lol. Their moms don't even have a nice car?? Miami wasn't the only team doing that shite.lol. I don't care if it's college basketball or football players are gettin money under the table. The movie Blue Chips was a good example of that shite and that's only a lil sniff of what goes on with star college athletes.lol.

I can remember people telling me certain LSU players riding around in nice tricked out cars with rims. Um how are they gettin the money for cars and rims when they don't make much money in college and their family don't have much money. Either they gettin paid under the table or slangin some crack. You take your pick

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no, it's not

a person not associated with the program in any way gave players money

this happens at all major football schools, and often it is people associated with the program (namely boosters

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Thank you. I mean Master P and his No Limit crew was only kickin it with athletes at LSU during the 90's to let them listen to their newest rap CD's.lol. Snoop Dog only talk to USC players to give them some lyrics for some songs.lol. I guess they think UNCLE LUKE is the only rapper hookin athletes up with shite. And lets not get into boosters, that's a whole new topic and thread.

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I don't think LSU is or was cheating to the extent that Miami did in the 80s.

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LSU is under investigation for a COACH hooking up players with improper benefits

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And yes, some of the Miami coaches were participating

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shannon distributed the money for the bounties

I'm glad that you fans can support known cheating. I for one cannot. I know that Iowa probably does some stuff that would be considered cheating, but I don't think they would be blatantly breaking rules like this.

I'm sure all the teams do this!

However, on December 20, 1995 the NCAA announced that Miami would be subject to severe sanctions for numerous infractions within the athletic department. Among the sanctions was a one-year ban from postseason participation and a scholarship reduction of 31 over a three year period beginning in 1996.

In 1994, Tony Russell, a former UM academic advisor, pleaded guilty to helping more than 80 student athletes, 57 of whom were football players, falsify Pell Grant applications in exchange for kickbacks from the players themselves. The scandal dated all the way back to 1989 and secured more than $220,000 in federal grant money. Federal officials later said that Russell had engineered "perhaps the largest centralized fraud ... ever committed" in the history of the Pell Grant program.[63][64]

In late 1995, the NCAA concluded that, in addition to the fraudulent Pell Grants facilitated by Russell, the university had also provided or allowed over $400,000 worth of other, improper payments to Miami football players. The NCAA also found that the university had failed to wholly implement its drug testing program, and permitted three football student-athletes to compete without being subject to the required disciplinary measures specified in the policy. Finally, the NCAA concluded, the university had lost institutional control over the football program.[65] Miami docked itself seven scholarships as part of a self-imposed sanction in 1995, and the NCAA took away another 24 scholarships over the next two years. As a result of the scandal, Sports Illustrated's Alexander Wolff wrote a cover story that Miami should at least temporarily shut down its football program.[63] Further, On June 21, 1996, Miami football players broke into the apartment of the captain of Miami's track team and struck him repeatly. In response, Davis suspended three key players for the coming 1996 season. Davis also suspended two other players who were involved in separate violence incidents.[66]

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Nobody supports it. It's just a fact that athletes get paid. I don't care if you're USC, FSU, Florida, BAMA, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, ND, etc in football or KU, UCLA, Duke, NC, Memphis, etc in College basketball the star athletes get the hook ups.

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Obviously that stuff happens, but I think it is just something fans say when they know their team is just as guilty of paying players. It is a coping method to make themselves feel better about supporting a cheating program.

what does swagger mean? if it mean you have to be a thug then I'm not for it.