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re: The Steelers traded the 18th pick for Minkah

Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:29 am to
Posted by MSH
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:29 am to
If you think he’s gonna win it, then top 3, in your eyes, should be a 100% lock. Not an “about as much of a” lock.
Posted by KillerNut9
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:31 am to
I’ve been realistic about the Steelers defense, and they were absolute shite for the past 5 years.

They have been lights out ever since the Minkah trade, and every defensive statt backs it up. Guy will legitimately be in the Polamalu category when it’s all said and done.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:32 am
Posted by KillerNut9
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:35 am to
He is a 100% lock to be in the top 3.

I will never be able to dictate humans, but the guy absolutely deserves to win it. If he doesn’t, he will be 2nd or 3rd in voting. No doubt.
Posted by MSH
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:37 am to
So you’re already walking back your comment that he is going to win it.

Now he deserves to win it? Will he get a participation trophy as well?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:37 am to
I’m trying to figure out why Cast told me to go to bed.

I’ve used nothing but his opinions here.

His comment about the trade was, “missed the playoffs and missed out on a top 5 pick.”

Then argued that Minkah was WHY Pitt missed out on the 5th pick.

Then said he alone is worth 2-3 wins.

1 player on a rookie deal is enough to take an NFL team from 18th to 5th but he isn’t worth that 18th pick.

But that 5th pick is absolutely going to be worth 2-3 wins for the Steelers.

Cast, go to bed.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:39 am to
quote:

1 player on a rookie deal is enough to take an NFL team from 18th to 5th but he isn’t worth that 18th pick.

But that 5th pick is absolutely going to be worth 2-3 wins for the Steelers.
now point to where I said this.
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:42 am to
I asked if you wanted to beat. And then you asked if the bet was for a top 5 finish with the odds.

I then said he’d definitely finish top 3 because I can’t predict how humans would bite the award.

I haven’t walked anything back.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:43 am
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:58 am to
You immediately pointing out that they missed the playoffs is you insinuating that the trade was shite.

Then you guessed what pick they might have without making the trade.

Now the trade for this rookie is worth 2-3 wins.

How many trades for the 18th pick are worth 2-3 wins, Cast? And that IMMEDIATELY, mid season. How many?

Why are you asking me to show you where you said this? You CLEARLY insinuated that the trade wasn’t worth it.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:06 am to
quote:

You immediately pointing out that they missed the playoffs is you insinuating that the trade was shite.
I love how you clearly cropped out the part of the OP I was responding to

You want to argue just to argue, so let me tell you what I think so you stop putting words into my mouth.

1- I disagree it was an "all time trade."
2- OP disingenuously calling it the “18th pick."

Now that, I've made that clear AGAIN. Feel free to argue those points. Still on vacation, so I'll be here all night
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:14 am to
:facepalm:

Nobody cares about the all time trade comment. It’s horribly incorrect and nobody who read it feels like addressing it, except you. It’s terribly low hanging fruit.

Now everything else you’ve said about the trade is stupid. I’m not arguing to argue.

Your take on this trade is stupid.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
47473 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:14 am to
quote:

2- OP disingenuously calling it the “18th pick."

Lol more disingenuous to say it’s the 5th pick.

Either way though it’s worth it so not sure what your point is.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:25 am to
quote:

no Khalil Mack trade


weird one.

Cost raiders a couple games.
"So no 5th seed."
But new fans see Raiders with two firsts.

Oakland tv sets will still see them get screwed by refs.
Tuck rule?!?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:28 am to
I was very wrong here

I said they'd end up with around the 11th pick in the draft after the trade.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:47 am to
It was a good trade for both teams. Dolphins needed an asset and the Steelers got a great young defensive back.

Neither team made the trade for just this year.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:51 am to
quote:

So you’re saying he alone is worth 2-3 wins? And on the other hand you’re arguing that he wasn’t worth the 5th to 18th pick? Am I talking crazy pills? Every fricking coach on earth would take a player 1 to fricking 10,000 if they knew they’d immediately make a 2-3 win difference. What in the absolute frick are you arguing here?



The OP is saying Minkah completely transformed the defense. Castor is saying if that’s the case the Steelers likely would’ve had a much higher pick without said positive transformation.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 7:54 am
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
78854 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Legit NFL trade of all time


Congrats on it getting them all the way to still missing the playoffs
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112647 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:45 am to
quote:

Missed the playoffs and don't have a potential 5-10th pick.
If you think Minkah is the difference between the 5th and 18th pick, then the Steelers won that trade in a landslide.

If you ask any coach or any sane person if they'd trade a 5-10 pick for a guy who is worth up to 3 wins per season, they'd all take that in a heartbeat.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 8:49 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112647 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:47 am to
quote:

I removed 2-3 wins based on the impact he ha. Which is where it lands them.

As I said above, if the 1 player hte Steelers got equates to 3 wins per year, then he's one of the GOAT safeties, and that was a no brainer deal.

Also means the Dolphins gave away a player who could have made them a respectable 8-8, a huge whiff.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:53 am to
I was not a fan of it when it went down, but I think it was a good trade.
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:54 am to
quote:

As I said above, if the 1 player hte Steelers got equates to 3 wins per year, then he's one of the GOAT safeties, and that was a no brainer deal.
But the trade wasn't made for one season.

quote:

Also means the Dolphins gave away a player who could have made them a respectable 8-8, a huge whiff.

not necessarily. Now they can have what they think can be a franchise QB. And since they won a few more games than anticipated, they can use the Steelers pick to move up a spot if they fear a team might take the player they want.

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