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re: The Steelers got hosed
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:21 am to TXGunslinger10
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:21 am to TXGunslinger10
Why didn't the play end once the ball broke the plane in his possession?
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:22 am to Chad504boy
Umm it’s not about “losing control”
He could have laid on his back with no one touching him batting the ball in the air playing hot potato with himself. If he ends up with the ball it’s a catch even after “losing control” because he wasn’t down.
Because he regained control ultimately, the issue ends up being (setting aside completely the actual rules of crossing the plane and being a touchdown) whether we have a clear shot of the ball on the turf.
He could have laid on his back with no one touching him batting the ball in the air playing hot potato with himself. If he ends up with the ball it’s a catch even after “losing control” because he wasn’t down.
Because he regained control ultimately, the issue ends up being (setting aside completely the actual rules of crossing the plane and being a touchdown) whether we have a clear shot of the ball on the turf.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:23 am to lsupride87
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In every picture you posted there isnt a single one showing the ball on the ground
the first picture clearly shows the point in which the ball hit the ground when you are in slow motion on tv. hard to "prove"that in still pics but its clear as day.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:23 am to theunknownknight
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Umm it’s not about “losing control”
He could have laid on his back with no one touching him batting the ball in the air playing hot potato with himself. If he ends up with the ball it’s a catch even after “losing control” because he wasn’t down.
none of this is true. He loses control on ground, the whole catch is null and void. i don't care for rule neither, but that's the rule.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:26 am to MontyFranklyn
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in his possession?
He had not yet established possession. This is so simple. We can argue that the rule is dumb but I really don't see how anyone can argue that this was the incorrect call. In order to establish possession of the football, a player going to the ground must maintain possession through the ground. Does not matter whether he breaks the plane or not because he has not yet established possession. When the ball hit the ground he clearly didn't control it, so it's incomplete. End of story. Dumb rule? Sure. But it was the correct call by the rule book.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:26 am to Chad504boy
quote:But why isn't the play over once the ball crosses the end zone?
none of this is true. He loses control on ground, the whole catch is null and void. i don't care for rule neither, but that's the rule.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:29 am to Chad504boy
“Losing control” applies only if the ball touches the ground.
For instance - you could run a route, get to the endzone and lay on your back, the qb could throw the ball to you, you could bat the ball up with your right hand and then catch it with your left all while on the ground and it’s a catch because you weren’t down and the ball never hit the turf.
I mean these are 101 rules here.
So the NFL needed CONCLUSIVE evidence to OVERTURN a called touchdown.
There isn’t any. Your best picture can only infer it, leaving the call to stand.
For instance - you could run a route, get to the endzone and lay on your back, the qb could throw the ball to you, you could bat the ball up with your right hand and then catch it with your left all while on the ground and it’s a catch because you weren’t down and the ball never hit the turf.
I mean these are 101 rules here.
So the NFL needed CONCLUSIVE evidence to OVERTURN a called touchdown.
There isn’t any. Your best picture can only infer it, leaving the call to stand.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:29 am to MontyFranklyn
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But why isn't the play over once the ball crosses the end zone?
he has to complete the catch when falling to the ground. its the way the rule is written. this part is inarguable, you can say its a dumb rule though.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:30 am to Chad504boy
His knee tocuhed the ground, he pulls the ball in (OBTAINS POSSESSION), stretches the ball (FOOTBALL MOVE), breaks the goal line.
That is the fricking definition of a touchdown. He was a runner as soon as he pulled the ball in prior to the Patriots player contacting him, and stretched the ball over the goal line.
That is a fricking touchdown.
That is the fricking definition of a touchdown. He was a runner as soon as he pulled the ball in prior to the Patriots player contacting him, and stretched the ball over the goal line.
That is a fricking touchdown.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:31 am to theunknownknight
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So the NFL needed CONCLUSIVE evidence to OVERTURN a called touchdown.
the ball hit the ground 100% when watching replay slowly. The ball point hit ground first and then you see both hands come off the ball.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:32 am to boXerrumble
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His knee tocuhed the ground, he pulls the ball in (OBTAINS POSSESSION), stretches the ball (FOOTBALL MOVE), breaks the goal line.
Its logical you think that but its not the NFL rule but feel free to create your own league where that is the actual rule you can argue.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:33 am to Chad504boy
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he has to complete the catch when falling to the ground
This only comes into play in the ball hits the ground. Damn you’re being dense.
The entire overturning of the call hinges on that one detail. As a player, you can bobble the ball ALL DAY on the ground as long as the ball never touches the ground and no one touches you.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:33 am to lsupride87
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or picture that shows the ball hit the ground without his hand under it
you're hopeless.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:35 am to Chad504boy
taken from the other thread to fan the flames a little more
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:35 am to Chad504boy
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the ball hit the ground 100%
I have yet to see a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT picture or video.
You are inferring it, bottom line.
Which is FINE if it was called an incompletion on the field. I’d say the incomplete call should stand.
But it was called a catch and the burden shifted.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:36 am to boXerrumble
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His knee tocuhed the ground
irrelevant
quote:
he pulls the ball in (OBTAINS POSSESSION)
Except he was going to the ground, which means he had not yet established possession according to the NFL rules.
quote:
stretches the ball (FOOTBALL MOVE)
Does not matter as he had not established possession.
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He was a runner as soon as he pulled the ball in prior to the Patriots player
No he wasn't. His feet were never on the ground when the ball was in his hands. His knee was the first thing to hit. He was never a runner
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:37 am to theunknownknight
quote:LINK
This only comes into play in the ball hits the ground. Damn you’re being dense.
watch video
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:38 am to theunknownknight
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I have yet to see a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT picture or video.
Dude theres a picture on the page before this, literally in reply to your pathetic rambling, that shows the ball "ONE HUNDRED PERCENT" touching the ground.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:39 am to Chad504boy
I did. Still not there. 
Again - had it been called incomplete. Fine.
It wasn’t. And there simply isn’t enough conclusive video evidence to overturn. Period. Call should stand.
Again - had it been called incomplete. Fine.
It wasn’t. And there simply isn’t enough conclusive video evidence to overturn. Period. Call should stand.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:39 am to Not Cooper
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Dude theres a picture on the page before this, literally in reply to your pathetic rambling, that shows the ball "ONE HUNDRED PERCENT" touching the ground.
Please post picture again so I can laugh at you
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