re: The Rooney Rule

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Now YOUR argument seems to be based on a very dangerous a priority assumption that often rears it's ugly head in these sorts of discussions: any minority that gets hired or gains admission to a school does so via affirmative action and that minority is assumed to be less qualified than all white applicants based on his minority status. I say that this assumption is a dangerous one because it assumes the superiority of whites over everyone else and sells all other groups short. Now, I don't think that you are a racist, but the necessary underlying assumption behind your argument relies on the belief of white supremacy.

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This is the result of affirmative action and the Rooney Rule, not racist white people. When someone is given an interview/opportunity solely based on their skin color, it isn't an assumption. It is a fact. You are proving the point that the Rooney Rule is not necessarily a good thing.

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This is the result of affirmative action and the Rooney Rule, not racist white people. When someone is given an interview/opportunity solely based on their skin color, it isn't an assumption. It is a fact. You are proving the point that the Rooney Rule is not necessarily a good thing.

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Outside the NFL, how do you know that that person was given their position due to their color? Seems to me like an assumption at times.

No, YOU are assuming that any minority hired is less qualified than all other white potential hires. That's the basis behind all of these debates. shite, look a few posts above. Look at your own post. YOU are assuming that someone is being interviewed solely because of their race and that the white guy (who is not prohibited from being interviewed) is automatically more qualified.

That's not the Rooney Rule's fault. It's your own perception.

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Outside the NFL, how do you know that that person was given their position due to their color? Seems to me like an assumption at times.

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You mean like at Exxon, where when prospects are tested they separate the test on a table by race and sex? They then hire a certain number from each stack.

Or in college enrollment, where they separate the applications based on race and sex? Then they select a certain number from each stack?

Are you seriously this stupid? Do you not realize that non-minorities that are more qualified than the minorities have lost out on opportunities (whether it be jobs, scholarships, etc) solely because they were white?

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No, YOU are assuming that any minority hired is less qualified than all other white potential hires. That's the basis behind all of these debates. shite, look a few posts above. Look at your own post. YOU are assuming that someone is being interviewed solely because of their race and that the white guy (who is not prohibited from being interviewed) is automatically more qualified.

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This is not an assumption. It is a rule that NFL teams must follow or be fined. There are black men being interviewed by NFL teams solely because they are black and the teams are meeting the requirement. Me saying so is not perception, it is because of the Rooney rule. I never said that the white person was more qualified. Only that the black person has an advantage because the team is forced to interview a minority.

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But to satisfy this rule they have to conduct a fake interview with a black candidate who has NO shot of getting the job.

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and then people will say that Dallas is racist for wasting the black coaches time.

The Rooney Rule is pathetic. Just hire the best candidate.

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You mean like at Exxon, where when prospects are tested they separate the test on a table by race and sex? They then hire a certain number from each stack.

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Or in college enrollment, where they separate the applications based on race and sex? Then they select a certain number from each stack?

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Funny considering I have a relative that works for Exxon, and is was more qualified that alot of the applicants in his applicant pool. And a relative and I go to the most prestigous university in LA, and we both were more than qualified to attend it.

But thats just a personal example.

Maybe its the people I know, but I personally dont know anyone that was incredibly un-qualified for a position that got it, the way a lot of non affirmative action people make it seem. Make it seem as if those selected are totally incompetent and incapability of performing their job as well as someone else.

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Why is it fair that the Cowboys will interview Jason Garrett and a token black guy instead of interviewing Greg Williams? Is it fair to Greg Williams that token black guy gets an opportunity that GW doesn't get, solely because he is black? No.

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is this serious? If so, holy shite have some perspective.

What's the name of the rule that says a team can only interview 2 candidates? Cause I've never heard of it.

This rules means that they have to interview a minority candidate and that's it. Not hire one (which would change this entire debate), and not cross off a white candidate to interview a minority.

You want to discuss affirmative action in the workplace then do it on the Poli board or something. Everyone here seems to be losing sight of what's actually being discussed.

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So you are assuming that minority candidates who receive interviews aren't qualified...

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Without reading this whole thread.... yes that is the assumption. The Rooney Rule forcing teams to interview candidates THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT INTERVIEW.

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grew up in New Orleans and live on the south side of Atlanta in East Point. Look up the demographics of my part of town when you get a chance

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And when he has his Peachtree Project annual meeting like he did in Atlanta this past November, black folks showed up. You asserted that most black folks don't care about him. And you've been saying that for a long time on here. But, there are a whole lot of black people in the country in different regions and of different generations. Plenty of black folk still show up when he comes in town.

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Fact is, I've been a black person for roughly 35 years longer than you have (and counting). I think that I'm more in touch with black America than you ever will be. Jesse doesn't speak for us.

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I don't give a frick how black you are or how long you've been black. I'm going by the crowds he draws to churches when he comes in towns and cities and the blacks that show up to his conventions and projects and the blacks that call in on his radio show and show up at his rallies on Saturday morning. I never asserted anything about speaking for you or the people you know. When you say he doesn't care about most black people, you are speaking for a lot of blacks in different regions that you don't know. Jackson has a track record of getting jobs and contracts for black folks for the past 40+ years.

In fact, one of the reasons blacks have more opportunities in every aspect of professional sports is because of Jackson and the work he's been doing with the NFL,NBA, and MLB for decades now.

I'll continue to go by the criteria I said I was going by to know if there are blacks who care about Jackson and Sharpton, not some random black dude on a message board. You are entitled to your opinion. But, the status that folks like Jackson have among black folks is and has always been based on his capability of getting jobs and contracts for blacks.