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re: The phantom/ticky-tack PI calls are ruining the NFL. Refs have way too much power
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
How do you recommend the defense tackle the receiver in that situation? There is literally no other way to defend it other than clobbering the WRs knees.
I agree the specific play was a penalty with the current rule set but i have no clue how the defense is suppose to defend that.
I agree the specific play was a penalty with the current rule set but i have no clue how the defense is suppose to defend that.
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:56 am to LNCHBOX
quote:It amazes me how many folks think that was a dirty hit on Gronk.
Wow what? What should he do, just let Gronk catch the ball?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:56 am to RebelTheBear
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Easy fix to this - change it from a spot foul to a 15 yard (maybe 10 yard) penalty. The fact that a defender can make one mistake and cost his team 40 FRICKING YARDS BECAUSE OF A PENALTY FLAG is absolutely ridiculous
I get that the spot foul is tough, but if you do this it will just encourage anyone that is beat on a deep ball to just tackle the receiver and avoid a huge gain by the other team.
Maybe you make different classes of penalties, 10, 20, 30 yards, etc. depending on the depth of the throw with spot fouls to the one only on something that occurs in the endzone.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:57 am to hiltacular
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How do you recommend the defense tackle the receiver in that situation?
I would suggest refraining from striking the receiver in the helmet with your own helmet.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:58 am to schwartzy
It amazes me that Americans say that soccer has dumb rules and flopping. It is rare that I watch a soccer game that is completely ruined by a call. In the NFL, it seems like half of the games.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:58 am to Zoltan
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but if you do this it will just encourage anyone that is beat on a deep ball to just tackle the receiver and avoid a huge gain by the other team.
How do you tackle a guy that has you beat? If a DB is close enough to do that, he's gonna be trying to make a play on the ball.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:01 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm guessing you think you made a point with that
My point was that he did something that was blatantly against the rules, so why would someone complain about the ref making that call??
Take it up with the competition committee
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:02 am to Epic Cajun
PI should be straight 10-15 yards, reviewable, or do two tier system like the nba (flagrant spot foul vs non flagrant 10 Yards). Review to determine if the ball was catchable or if the contact deserved penalty.
Gifting a team 1/3 of the field is a game changing call. No one wants refs deciding games.
How about their be a central review room where a league official is watching and reviewing plays? If there’s a blatant penalty he can phone it in.
Gifting a team 1/3 of the field is a game changing call. No one wants refs deciding games.
How about their be a central review room where a league official is watching and reviewing plays? If there’s a blatant penalty he can phone it in.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:03 am to wildtigercat93
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My point was that he did something that was blatantly against the rules
Watching the replays, I don't think he did.
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so why would someone complain about the ref making that call??
Because I don't agree with it being a blatant penalty.
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Take it up with the competition committee
I would if I could.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:03 am to wildtigercat93
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was blatantly against the rules
Was it though? He led with his shoulder into gronks shoulder. The helmet hit was accidental as gronk was coming down.
That was nowhere near a dirty play and wasn't blatantly illegal.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:So you basically want him to let Gronk catch the football. If he goes low on Gronk. He's likely taking his knees out and risking more injury.
I would suggest refraining from striking the receiver in the helmet with your own helmet.
This is exactly what doesn't make sense with the NFL. When defenders make a clean hit. They get flagged or called "dirty players".
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:06 am to LNCHBOX
You have to go for the legal hit of blowing someone's knees out these days.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:06 am to JBeam
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So you basically want him to let Gronk catch the football.
No.
I just don't want him to pop anyone in the head with his helmet. This was textbook helmet to helmet contact.
Separating the receiver from the ball does not mean you have to initiate helmet to helmet contact. Hell, it happened several times with clean hits in that very game.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:07 am to HollierThanThou
quote:I would like to hear refs have to explain their logic on calls in a postgame interview (Especially H&H and PI calls). Otherwise they are allowed to go anon and not be held accountable.
How about their be a central review room where a league official is watching and reviewing plays? If there’s a blatant penalty he can phone it in.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:09 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I just don't want him to pop anyone in the head with his helmet. This was textbook helmet to helmet contact.
No it wasn't.
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Separating the receiver from the ball does not mean you have to initiate helmet to helmet contact.
If anything, Gronk initiated the helmet contact. The big part of the hit from Church was with the shoulder.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:09 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:So you want him to take out his knees? A guy who has had multiple ACL & MCL injuries.
I just don't want him to pop anyone in the head with his helmet. This was textbook helmet to helmet contact.
Separating the receiver from the ball does not mean you have to initiate helmet to helmet contact. Hell, it happened several times with clean hits in that very game.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:09 am to SwaggerCopter
You don't get to see 1000 promo's for Fox's newest hot drama's if you watch soccer though.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:10 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This was textbook helmet to helmet contact.
Not based on the rule. Helmet to helmet isn't the penalty. It's forcible contact leading with the helmet. That play wasn't forcible contact.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:13 am to LNCHBOX
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No it wasn't.
It was.
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If anything, Gronk initiated the helmet contact.
Good lord, Gronk hadn't even fully landed. Still had a foot in the air and half turned his head and Church's dome was in his facemask.
I get that you're salty about the Pats winning but this is crazy that you're defending that type of hit. This was nothing like a RB intentionally lowering his head going into a defender and you know it. Come on.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:14 am to TH03
Church had three options on that play. Hit him the way he actually did, take out Gronk's knees/legs or let him catch the ball for a likely long play.
He did the right thing in that situation. It wasn't a dirty play.
He did the right thing in that situation. It wasn't a dirty play.
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