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Posted on 2/6/10 at 9:24 pm to bayoujd
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I'd be incredibly embarrassed if this was going on at LSU. USC may not get hit with a big penalty, but they have taken a big hit to their image as a university.
Yeah, the recruits are just running away.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 9:25 pm to el tigre
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BUT, for guys like USCTangerine to act like this is anything more than USC getting away with shite it's laughable
I am not saying they got away with amything or that they did not. I am telling folks what the likely penalties are, based on the NCAA's findings, of which USC is already aware.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 6:42 am to Orange Daisy
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What exactly is USC's football program being investigated for other than providing RBush's family a home? Who was donor/booster? Could this be denied or supported? Is the NCAA looking into anything else that we know off?
It can be denied. The agreement was always 4500K per month for rent (market price). The house was far away from SC and Bush has a strained relationship with his step-father, so it cannot be assumed Bush knew they were skipping out on rent. Bush's mother and step-father skipped out on rent and were legally eveicted. He was not a dnonor or booster either. He was apparently trying to set up a mareketing deal with Reggie that did not come to fruition. Major violations cannot be tied to SC on that one, much less Bush. Minor, maybe.
LINK "I never agreed to let them live rent free".
Lloyd Lake, the convicted felon who says Bush owes him 250K admittedly has no paperwork of these transactions.
There are allegations of Bush getting a hotel and limo for his Heisman trip. They could get him on that and maybe SC would have to vacate the loss to UT in the 2005 BCS NC game.
Like I said, the word is 2 schollies or so for two years ad that is about it.
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 6:54 am
Posted on 2/18/10 at 9:10 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Yeah, the recruits are just running away.
I'm not talking about recruits. I'm talking about USC's reputation nationally as a University; there's supposedly a lot more to USC than football. I understand that most recruits look at football success and NFL when picking a school; but most adults can see the whole picture and realize that all of this has been a black eye on USC's perception as a university.
Unlike most LSU fans, I don't have any disdain for USC. One of my best friends went to USC undergrad and has a masters degree from USC's aerospace and mechanical engineering program; he loves USC football to the core (despite being there during the lean years before Carroll arrived), and he is embarassed that all of this is going on, and plenty of his alum friends are as well. Everywhere he goes, he has to hear that his program is dirty and cheated during their great run. That's the perception and it pisses him off to no end that their great run has been diminished by all of this.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:04 am to bayoujd
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I'm not talking about recruits. I'm talking about USC's reputation nationally as a University;
exactly what type of hit do you speak of? the athletics dept does not affect the academics. your telling me someone who gets accepted there for grades is concerned about this bush deal? USC is and always will be a very respected university whether you like it or not.
the question is will they be able to prove that USC knew about this, if so they will lose some schollies, thats it, not the death penalty so many of you are hoping for. sorry
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:16 am to RLDSC FAN
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exactly what type of hit do you speak of? the athletics dept does not affect the academics. your telling me someone who gets accepted there for grades is concerned about this bush deal? USC is and always will be a very respected university whether you like it or not
What I'm saying is that the football scandal is affecting the public's perception of the University. At least according to the few USC grads that I know. A lot of people with whom they interact in business settings are saying "what kind of University are they running out there?". This wasn't the case a few years back, and I can tell you that they are tired of hearing about it. It's not a good thing when that's the first thing that pops into people's minds about a school.
Miami (FL) is also a good university, but the general public overlooks that as they tend to think of Miami in terms of the "U" and their scandals of the late 80s and 90s.
Because of all of this Bush/Mayo/McKnight stuff, USC is going down that path as well, irrespective of the severity of the pending punishment.
I don't expect USC to get hit hard. I tend to agree that the burden of proof is high, despite a lot of circumstantial evidence against USC. The overall point, however, is that USC's image is taking a big hit because of this.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:28 am to bayoujd
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The overall point, however, is that USC's image is taking a big hit because of this.
well agree to disagree
once this is over, everything with the school will be fine, its the fact that this has gone on for so freaking long. People just want it to be over with
Posted on 2/18/10 at 10:31 am to LSUTANGERINE
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The agreement was always 4500K per month for rent (market price). The house was far away from SC and Bush has a strained relationship with his step-father, so it cannot be assumed Bush knew they were skipping out on rent. Bush's mother and step-father skipped out on rent and were legally eveicted. He was not a dnonor or booster either. He was apparently trying to set up a mareketing deal with Reggie that did not come to fruition. Major violations cannot be tied to SC on that one, much less Bush. Minor, maybe.
LINK "I never agreed to let them live rent free".
Lloyd Lake, the convicted felon who says Bush owes him 250K admittedly has no paperwork of these transactions.
I've been saying this since Day 1 of this "investigation". Lake was trying to bribe Reggie's mom into convincing Reggie to sign with him. Reggie did not sign with him, and he Lake got pissy.
I don't see how someone REJECTING a bribe is a violation...
Posted on 2/18/10 at 12:37 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Like I said, the word is 2 schollies or so for two years ad that is about it.
sounds like SI agrees with this:
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Taken together, the committee will determine whether school officials exhibited a "lack of institutional control," or the less serious "failure to monitor," in its oversight of the programs. It seems somewhat inevitable at this point that the Trojans will be put on probation, and possible Kiffin's program will be docked a few scholarships. But a postseason ban like the one imposed on the basketball team would require more concrete evidence of direct wrongdoing by USC employees than has been alleged thus far.
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In the end, however, probation and a few docked scholarships will have little real effect on Kiffin's program. The committee's deliberations in Tempe may have far greater ramifications for USC's past than its future.
LINK
A few reputations may be tarnished:
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How will we ultimately look back at the Matt Leinart/LenDale White/Bush-era Trojans should the NCAA invalidate its records? The images of Leinart's dramatic sneak at Notre Dame or Bush's one-man show against Fresno State won't vanish from our memories, but they may become forever associated with an unsavory asterisk.
Should the committee decide to impose major sanctions on the football program, the Trojans' most celebrated era in recent history -- the 2003-05 teams that captured two national championships, won 34 straight games and produced a pair of Heisman winners -- may be forever tarnished.
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 2/18/10 at 12:52 pm to RLDSC FAN
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well agree to disagree
So did UT fans when everyone was blasting Kiffy for being a HUGE D bag. Disagree all you want, I wouldn't expect any less.
Fight on douches
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:47 pm to Jaydeaux
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Fight on douches
Bitter much?
Posted on 2/18/10 at 1:53 pm to Sophandros
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I don't see how someone REJECTING a bribe is a violation...
Is it rejecting a bribe when you live rent free? seems like you took it
If you eliminate the words coming out of people's mouth and just look at what happened it seems clear... agent tried to get influence with Bush by providing benefits... Bush accepted benefits for his family but didn't sign with the agent... agent got made... it's hard to believe anything else
Posted on 2/18/10 at 2:06 pm to molsusports
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Is it rejecting a bribe when you live rent free? seems like you took it
"You"?
I'm not Reggie Bush...
And Bush didn't live rent free....
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agent tried to get influence with Bush by providing benefits... Bush accepted benefits for his family but didn't sign with the agent... agent got made... it's hard to believe anything else
Agent tried to get influence with REGGIE Bush by providing benefits to his PARENTS. They live in San Diego. He was in school in Los Angeles. How, exactly, is he benefiting from a house that is 140 miles away?
Let me explain it thusly:
Let the agent = A
Let Bush's family = B
Let Bush = C
A approaches B and give B a house so that B talks C into dealing with A.
C does not deal with A, despite what B tries to do. A gets pissed off.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 3:12 pm to Sophandros
I think it's clear that the agent thought providing benefits to RB's close relatives would be a bribe that resulted in his being more inclined to sign with the agent
That's the only reason the agent would have provided said (expensive) benefits
That's the only reason the agent would have provided said (expensive) benefits
Posted on 2/18/10 at 4:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
"Lloyd Lake, the convicted felon who says Bush owes him 250K admittedly has no paperwork of these transactions."
Are you dumb or just pretending to be dumb? Lake has recorded phone conversations proving those transactions.
And why does USC give out sideline passes to convicted felons?
And why does USC allow students to intern for convicted felons?
And yall can keep spewing that bullshite about Reggie being innocent and naive and these big bad guys took advantage of him. He's known Lake since jr. high. The sports agency was Bush's doings. He's the one that sucked money out of those two gullible dumbasses.
If he had just paid em back what he took then this shite would have never seen the light of day.
Are you dumb or just pretending to be dumb? Lake has recorded phone conversations proving those transactions.
And why does USC give out sideline passes to convicted felons?
And why does USC allow students to intern for convicted felons?
And yall can keep spewing that bullshite about Reggie being innocent and naive and these big bad guys took advantage of him. He's known Lake since jr. high. The sports agency was Bush's doings. He's the one that sucked money out of those two gullible dumbasses.
If he had just paid em back what he took then this shite would have never seen the light of day.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 6:00 pm to molsusports
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Is it rejecting a bribe when you live rent free? seems like you took it
the agreed upon rent was 4500/month from the get go. Michaels even said that. They skipped oout on rent. Said they would pay later and were eventually evicted.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 6:01 pm to crimsonsaint
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Are you dumb or just pretending to be dumb? Lake has recorded phone conversations proving those transactions.
His attorney even stated he has no paperwork in an interview on film with HBO. The only alleged phone convestaion is with Lamar Griffin telling Lake to site tight and Bush will sign with them. You do not know your facts.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 6:04 pm to crimsonsaint
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And yall can keep spewing that bullshite about Reggie being innocent and naive and these big bad guys took advantage of him. He's known Lake since jr. high. The sports agency was Bush's doings. He's the one that sucked money out of those two gullible dumbasses.
NCAA needs evidence and more importantly that USC knew of the allegations. keep getting your hopes up. A few schollies for a couple of years and maybe some vacacted wins. No major sanctions as many here hope for. This is gonna be fun watching all the whiming on this board.
Posted on 2/18/10 at 6:33 pm to Sophandros
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I've been saying this since Day 1 of this "investigation". Lake was trying to bribe Reggie's mom into convincing Reggie to sign with him. Reggie did not sign with him, and he Lake got pissy.
I don't see how someone REJECTING a bribe is a violation...
the funny part is that Orny is not a focus of the investigation it seems. THAT is where it could interesting in terms of more direct ties to USC, but that won't happen for whatever reason.
As expected it will be a slap on the wrist with little to no real impact going forward, and the NCAA can say they did their job, and USC can say that they learned their lesson.
This post was edited on 2/18/10 at 6:34 pm
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