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re: The MLB is the golden standard of sports restarts
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:03 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:03 pm to WestCoastAg
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MLB dropped the ball on this so incredibly hard due to overall incompetence stemming from the league office and ownership and the odds of this season getting shut down mid year are higher than that of it being completed. But yea, they've been the gold standard
I’m not saying they did it perfectly. The negotiations got so ugly that fans, myself included, were questioning if Rob Manfred even likes baseball.
They did somehow manage to get it together and did it without a bubble or defacating on 80% of their fanbase.
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Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:07 pm to MurderHornet
quote:you think this is going to work? The very first week of testing led to massive problems, you have players openly questioning the leagues capability to keep them safe, and have federal government's refusing to lift travel restrictions forcing an actual major league team to relocate for a year. This is a shitshow and the league has failed at every single point while somehow creating a more hostile and contentious environment between the players and the league which will almost assuredly cost us all of the 2022 season
They did somehow manage to get it together and did it without a bubble
quote:and I have a feeling this is the only reason why you think baseball has been the gold standard even though they have handled this whole situation, by far, the worst out of every sports league in the entire world regardless of size. They completely squandered a golden opportunity to be the only major sport league in this country going for an entire month all because ownership wanted to make one dollar in profits instead of 35 cents
defacating on 80% of their fanbase
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:13 pm to MurderHornet
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While the NFL and NBA crash and burn
what nonsense.
nba is full steam ahead.
a few guys have covid19.
westbrook is the biggest name.
a smaller # of guys have a child with immunity issues or a new born. so they wont play.
play on.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:22 pm to Strannix
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NBA is now full on BLM league
NFL too
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:30 pm to WestCoastAg
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you think this is going to work?
I guess it depends on your point of view. I’m in the camp that the virus is way overblown and world class athletes are not at a high risk. Theoretically the bubble works if everyone follows the rules, but you know they aren’t going to do that. No matter what precautions you take a bunch of people are going to get Covid and there will still be the same restrictions/ bureaucracy, and the same players would have bitched regardless. At least the NBA has a plan though. the NFL (leading professional sports business in the world) still has no idea what they’re doing.
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and I have a feeling this is the only reason why you think baseball has been the gold standard even though they have handled this whole situation, by far, the worst out of every sports league in the entire world regardless of size
It’s not the only reason but you can’t downplay it’s significance. Why kill the golden goose if you don’t have to? Also can you explain to me how the other leagues have done anything better?
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They completely squandered a golden opportunity to be the only major sport league in this country going for an entire month all because ownership wanted to make one dollar in profits instead of 35 cents
Are we going to pretend that the NFL and NBA aren’t also greedy?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:36 pm to WestCoastAg
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The very first week of testing led to massive problems, you have players openly questioning the leagues capability to keep them safe, and have federal government's refusing to lift travel restrictions forcing an actual major league team to relocate for a year.
And the NBA had players violate "the bubble" within 1 week and superstar have to leave and subsequently has a 14 days quarantine.
Theres not a good way to do this and you are crazy if you think the NBA guys will be abiding by the bubble stuff in a month.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:40 pm to MurderHornet
quote:oh, I don't know. The NBA has had no problems with testing, isn't staring down the barrel of a historic and catastrophic labor stoppage in 18 months, and didn't have its ownership almost completely kill the sport
Also can you explain to me how the other leagues have done anything better?
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:41 pm to msudawg1200
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Piss on the NBA and NFL SJW bullshite.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:43 pm to Adam Banks
quote:and those violations have been very minor and where immediately put back into quarantine. The NBA also hasn't had massive issues with its testing like baseball. Literally only two players have left for family issues and will immediately be quarantined on their return and only after two negative tests in a row 24 hours apart from each other.
And the NBA had players violate "the bubble" within 1 week
quote:you are absolutely right. There isn't. The bubble has its issues. But its leagues, and I mean LEAGUES, better than whatever you want to call what baseball is doing and the NBA isn't 18 months away from basically ending the sport in a labor stoppage like baseball is
Theres not a good way to do this
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:50 pm to MurderHornet
PGA and NASCAR have done much better.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:54 pm to WestCoastAg
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you are absolutely right. There isn't. The bubble has its issues. But its leagues, and I mean LEAGUES, better than whatever you want to call what baseball is doing and the NBA isn't 18 months away from basically ending the sport in a labor stoppage like baseball is
I think a couple things separate the 2. MLB has a significant portion of the season remaining. 2 The dimensions of the home stadium are big in baseball. Teams design their rosters around that.
Personally 2-3 months down the road MLB players will be much happier being able to interact with other human beings, eat where they please etc. Some kinks with the testing will be easily knocked out and life for the players will be relatively normal. The guys in the NBA playoffs are going to be like middle schoolers at camp trying to sneak out on curfew and sneak in girls etc.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:55 pm to Adam Banks
I would hold off on saying what baseball players are doing in two months when there's a legitimate chance that baseball shuts its season down
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:01 pm to WestCoastAg
What would cause them to shut the season down?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:03 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
The spread of the disease amlng players and staff considering there are no controls on where the players and staff are going and considering they are traveling freely around the country?
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:05 pm to WestCoastAg
They’ve designed a plan specifically so that positive tests won’t shut the season down and said as much.
Are you saying you think there’s a legitimate chance that about half or 2/3rds of several 60 man rosters could get it?
Are you saying you think there’s a legitimate chance that about half or 2/3rds of several 60 man rosters could get it?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:08 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I'm saying I have serious doubts on baseball being able to implement its plans competently and I don't see how that's a crazy take to have considering how it's gone so far with their testing
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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There’s been 86 positive tests so far
I’m not sure if these are unique or not. Even assuming they are that’s about 3 reps per team. You think MLB’s plans will cause it to spread exponentially more than it already has among players vs when they were completely unmonitored living on their own? Seems improbable if not statistically impossible
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I'm saying I have serious doubts on baseball being able to implement its plans competently and I don't see how that's a crazy take to have considering how it's gone so far with their testing
There’s been 86 positive tests so far
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The league and union said in a release Friday that six of 10,548 samples (0.05%) were found to be new positives, with five of those coming from players and one from a staff member. The release noted that there was a five-day stretch without a positive test. Last week, the intake screening process completed with 58 players and eight staff members testing positive for COVID-19 at a rate of 1.8%. An additional 22 players have tested positive through monitoring testing or intake testing of players added to team pools.
I’m not sure if these are unique or not. Even assuming they are that’s about 3 reps per team. You think MLB’s plans will cause it to spread exponentially more than it already has among players vs when they were completely unmonitored living on their own? Seems improbable if not statistically impossible
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:how many of these players were frequently traveling around the country and potentially interacting with people who have no idea if they have the disease or not
You think MLB’s plans will cause it to spread exponentially more than it already has among players vs when they were completely unmonitored living on their own
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:23 pm to WestCoastAg
I’m sure plenty were interacting with people who have no idea if they have it or not as many people their age have been doing.
You’re acting like they’re going to be flying commercial and staying at hotels like they normally do. The risk is really when they’re at home, not on the road. And the risk of it getting to the point where they have to cancel the season is still pretty minimal if you think through it logically
You’re acting like they’re going to be flying commercial and staying at hotels like they normally do. The risk is really when they’re at home, not on the road. And the risk of it getting to the point where they have to cancel the season is still pretty minimal if you think through it logically
Posted on 7/19/20 at 5:32 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
i also have a decent feeling that they were interacting with similar people instead of constantly coming into contact with new people
was my initial post about the chances of the season being completely stopped higher than it being completed hyperbolic? probably. and i will admit to that and i will walk back from that. but i cant help but have legitimate doubts for the season and it largely stems from having very little faith in baseball being able to control the situation whereas i have much smaller doubts about that when it comes to the NBA
quote:until six weeks from now when baseball has potentially had its third breakdown in testing causing the season to be put on pause for however many days until they get their shite together
And the risk of it getting to the point where they have to cancel the season is still pretty minimal if you think through it logically
was my initial post about the chances of the season being completely stopped higher than it being completed hyperbolic? probably. and i will admit to that and i will walk back from that. but i cant help but have legitimate doubts for the season and it largely stems from having very little faith in baseball being able to control the situation whereas i have much smaller doubts about that when it comes to the NBA
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