re: The Greatest Baseball Player of the Modern Era

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Really?You sure about that?Per Fay Vincents memorandum to all teams in 1990

"The possesion,sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by MLB players and personnel is strickly prohibited.

Those involved are subject to discipline from the commisioner or expulsion from the game"

"The prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances including STEROIDS and perscription drugs for which the individual does not have a prescription"

Pretty clear to anybody that reads.

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Like many other divisive issues, opinions seem to render more objective findings less palatable. People who defend the steroid era will just fire off distraction argument after distraction argument on this issue IMO.

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Aaron flushes Bonds down the toilet for CAREER numbers.

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No he really doesn't....

while Aaron dominates hits (3771 to 2935) Bonds played in 312 less games so almost 2 seasons worth. Bonds also walked 1152 more times in those 312 LESS games than what Aaron played in.... Your "lifetime BA" argument is over 7 points... big deal really since Bonds holds a 70 point lead in OBP, and a 52 point lead on Slugging percentage...

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For people that don't remember their early careers I think it is also interesting how badly KGJr's numbers outclass Barry Bonds

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Let us use 1989 (Ken Griffey First Season) to 1999 (when Griffey was traded)

Griffey: 398 home runs in that span
Bonds: 380 home runs in that span

Griffey: 167 stolen bases in that span
Bonds: 375 stolen bases in that span

Griffey: 1742 hits in that span
Bonds: 1622 hits in that span

Griffey: 1535 games in that span
Bonds: 1593 games in that span

Griffey: 747 walks in that span
Bonds: 1239 walks in that span

Griffey: 948 strike outs in that span
Bonds: 842 strike outs in that span

Griffey: 5832 at bats in that span
Bonds: 5474 at bats in that span

Griffey: 320 doubles in that span
Bonds: 333 doubles in that span

Griffey: 30 triples in that span
Bonds: 58 triples in that span





So where does Griffey's numbers outclass Bonds over the same time frame? I stopped at 1999 because that is when Griffey was traded to the Reds and that was season before Bonds was accused of steroids.... I could just use their first 10 seasons then Griffey has a larger advantage in games played, at bats, plate appearances, yet would still be behind in stolen bases, walks, triples, doubles, and Bonds would still have less strike outs.

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lifetime BA arguement only 7 points

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So what? 7 points is still considerable especially over 22 seasons and the fact the many of his hits and his .BA were "enhanced" with some "help"

You wanna bring up OPS abd I'll bring up total bases...almost 900 more.

Do I really think he "flushes Bonds career numbers down the toilet"? ...not really...I was making and somewhat exaggerated reponse to the moronic use of cherry picking seaons and then telling me the pre-roids Bonds "shits all over Aaron"

A GOAT arguement can be made for Bond (if you want to ignore cheating which clearly you want to do)Ruth and Aaron...just think Hank gets short changed in many of these discussions.

That's why stats exist to attempt to compare eras and look at park factors. It is not perfect and there are still unturned variables, but it can give us some nice comparisons.

As I stated at the end of my post, Griffey would still have the advantage in home runs/hits and Bonds the advantage in doubles, triples, stolen bases, walks, less strike outs.