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re: The Golden State Warriors will be WORSE next year, and I'll explain why.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:47 pm to therick711
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:47 pm to therick711
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Durant's game is nothing like Love's game and Bosh's game. That being said, he will have to integrate. Where Love and Bosh didn't fit, Durant is the prototypical pace and space player. I would argue his game is more ready to fit into what the Warriors do then putting Love with two ball demanders or Bosh with same.
Absolutely! People are being ridiculous.
The Warriors and Kerr have shown they are one of the most adept at maximizing players, creating optimal synergy and crafting optimal systems around their players within the parameters of what they ideally want to do which is pace and space.
This is not a burden, it is giving a bunch of artists the best tools they have ever had access to to make a masterpiece.
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:47 pm to PrimeTime Money
Bosh and Love were converted into stretch 4's. These arent good examples
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Elite players are elite when there is enough room to take advantage of their skills fully.
i dont think you fully understand how his skills crossover. There is no dead end here
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:50 pm to NOLA Bronco
I certainly don't think they'll win 73, or even 70, but I don't think they'll care about that. They won't have the deep bench, which really is more of a regular season asset compared to post season where you really only use 7-8 guys. In post season that's where star power comes into play. Curry/KD/Klay/Green/Iggy/Zaza/Livingston/Barbosa (if he returns)
That's deep enough to where they can dominate in the post season where a bench isn't as important. I think they'll win 60-65 games, still. A team with quality big men and guys that can get to the basket could give them some trouble.
But Bron is still coming for that arse
That's deep enough to where they can dominate in the post season where a bench isn't as important. I think they'll win 60-65 games, still. A team with quality big men and guys that can get to the basket could give them some trouble.
But Bron is still coming for that arse
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:50 pm to NOLA Bronco
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People are really engaging in some wishful thinking. They are gonna be good, really good.
I think people are just suggesting they were already really, really good, so the addition of Durant doesn't have a marked efficiency boost that it would have with other teams. This really doesn't have much to do with how much better Durant is than Barnes. It has everything to do with how good the entire Warriors team is already - they shot 41.6% from 3 with an eFG% of 56.3% last year. Durant shot 38.7% from 3 with an eFG% of 57.3%.
They'll be better, but the biggest deal about the entire move is that they're biggest hurdle in the West was just obliterated and the Cavs will probably be stagnant at best.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:51 pm to Lester Earl
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Bosh and Love were converted into stretch 4's. These arent good examples
Of course it is awful. Lebron is a player that forces others to adapt to him.
The Warriors are a team that have made their name adapting to their core players.
There are some parallels in terms of certain guys needing to accept different roles, but it is not going to be that drastic because thats not how the Warriors operate.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:53 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:The Bosh/Miami thing is a bad comparison IMO. Those pieces didn't fit, and they had to work to make them fit, and even in the end, it was never a perfect fit but the talent won out. And the team was also driven by the ultimate ball stopper/iso guy in Lebron.
Too many stars will push others out. It happened to Bosh in Miami
With GS, the pieces fit, and none of those guys are anywhere near Lebron in regards to holding onto the ball as much as he does(not that that's a bad thing because...Lebron)
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:53 pm to slackster
Defenses ignored Barnes a lot of the time in the playoffs this past year and he still couldn't deliver. Durant was a focal point of the opposing defenses and he was still more efficient than Barnes.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:53 pm to slackster
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his really doesn't have much to do with how much better Durant is than Barnes. It has everything to do with how good the entire Warriors team is already - they shot 41.6% from 3 with an eFG% of 56.3% last year. Durant shot 38.7% from 3 with an eFG% of 57.3%.
They'll be better, but the biggest deal about the entire move is that they're biggest hurdle in the West was just obliterated and the Cavs will probably be stagnant at best.
Which is why this move is so insane. That lineup of death that was steamrolling teams? It just got better passing, rim protection, rebounding, defense, shooting, scoring versatility. And, likely the ability to run it for longer stretches of time.
The one counter that will remain true to me til further notice is that Lebron has made Durant his bitch all career.
Outside of that, they may not win more games due to things the team has already said, but come playoff/finals time? They will be MUCH improved next year but furthermore the following season when they really finalize things.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:54 pm to slackster
quote:You can't ignore that 1 guy is shooting 3s with a guy on him usually in iso situations, and the other was taking wide open 3s all playoffs, all season, all career.
In this past postseason Durant shot a worse FG%, 3PT%, and eFG% than the entire Warriors' team average. Even if you isolate Barnes, Durant's eFG% was 46.8% while Barnes was 44.6%. KD can fill it up and he's one of the best in the game, but on the whole he isn't significantly more efficient than the shots he is going to be replacing
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:55 pm to NOLA Bronco
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There are some parallels in terms of certain guys needing to accept different roles, but it is not going to be that drastic because thats not how the Warriors operate.
yea they'll need to adjust their roles some. Draymond Green will more than likely happily do the dirty work and defer scoring to the other guys.
this guy is focusing on Durant being ball dominant as his "strength", when his biggest asset is being a 6'10" guy with unlimited range. That plays in any offense. He'll have more open looks than he's ever had.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:59 pm to Lester Earl
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Bosh and Love were converted into stretch 4's. These arent good examples
Also, Love didn't fit because you can't hide two guys on defense. Irving > Love, so Love had to go to the bench in the playoffs.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:59 pm to Smoke7024
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Defenses ignored Barnes a lot of the time in the playoffs this past year and he still couldn't deliver. Durant was a focal point of the opposing defenses and he was still more efficient than Barnes.
Yep, lets rewind:
Now imagine this with Durant instead of Barnes. How do you defend them over 7 games? For the Cavs, there is no more hiding guys on Barnes. Those days are over.
You want to put Kyrie or Love on Durant? Good luck with that!
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:02 pm to NOLA Bronco
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The Warriors are a team that have made their name adapting to their core players. There are some parallels in terms of certain guys needing to accept different roles, but it is not going to be that drastic because thats not how the Warriors operate.
There is really no denying that KD can be a better, more efficient Barnes. Giving his shots and minutes to KD is a no-brainer and they're better for it. The concern is where the other shots will be found, particularly in the playoffs. You're not going to be playing either of their 4 stars off the bench, and the vast majority of their minutes will come playing together. When they're on the court together someone is going to have to sacrifice shots and Steph, Klay, and Green are no slouches from an efficiency standpoint.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:02 pm to PrimeTime Money
Bogut never played a complete season + playoffs.
injured in the playoffs, usually.
The trouble I see is that they spent every cent under the cap but $1 million.
They will have a lot of minimum wage guys.
They are short a few guys on the roster.
Ezili will walk soon.
injured in the playoffs, usually.
The trouble I see is that they spent every cent under the cap but $1 million.
They will have a lot of minimum wage guys.
They are short a few guys on the roster.
Ezili will walk soon.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:04 pm to NOLA Bronco
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They will be MUCH improved next year but furthermore the following season when they really finalize things.
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about free agency next summer when Steph and Durant both hit the market.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
Why does he have to be OKC Kevin Durant? KD won't throw a fit if all he has to do is run some screens for easy looks. I'm sure he'd much rather that then try to blow by his guy and take contested deep twos all game.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:05 pm to slackster
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There is really no denying that KD can be a better, more efficient Barnes. Giving his shots and minutes to KD is a no-brainer and they're better for it. The concern is where the other shots will be found, particularly in the playoffs. You're not going to be playing either of their 4 stars off the bench, and the vast majority of their minutes will come playing together. When they're on the court together someone is going to have to sacrifice shots and Steph, Klay, and Green are no slouches from an efficiency standpoint.
They will stagger like they always have and use personal to exploit matchups. The Warriors have never been a team that just does the same thing over and over. The are a fluid offense that adjusts and adapts as the game goes on.
The important thing is getting Durant on the same page and into rhythm with his teammates and them with him within the system. Which I don't think will be that hard by playoffs time.
As Jerry West said, part of the selling point was that Durant should realistically get most of his numbers on less shots and with less wear and tear on his body because of the attention the rest of the team requires. That was intriguing to him. I don't think he is looking to take 28 shots a game and banging around in isolation half his attempts.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:06 pm to slackster
I think you're getting too caught up in who takes how many shots. I think the most important thing is that all will have better shots because you're going to have to give a lot more attention to Durant defensively than you did Barnes.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:07 pm to slackster
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about free agency next summer when Steph and Durant both hit the market.
They aren't going anywhere. This whole thing wouldn't be happening if there wasnt strong commitment from the core guys that they will stick this out.
Plus just in general all of these guys have made it clear they find more value and happiness in sacrificing a bit of self for the greatness of the team. Klay and Steph aren't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 3:09 pm
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