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re: The CFP committee is disturbingly dumb
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:09 pm to Nutriaitch
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:09 pm to Nutriaitch
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and Michigan padded their schedule with East Carolina, UNLV, and Bowling Green
instead of LSU and Florida
one has a SoS currently at 56, the other has one at 61.
very close to each other.
one gets to go all the way up to #1, the other is getting shite on.
That's because Michigan is a Tier 1/Media Darling Program. Like Notre Dame, they haven't accomplished shite in decades, but because CFB is a pageant and not a real competition, Michigan is viewed at that level.
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:10 pm to GeauxGutsy
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FSU beat LSU and FSU didn’t get the nod-Imagine knighting for a team that said frick LSU all season. No amount of strongly worded letters or articles will change it. Time to move on.
My position on this situation is purely as to the principle of it all. I could give two shits personally about FSU.
If you are going to exclude an undefeated P5 team (in favor of a team with one loss), you have to come up with a more persuasive line of shite than this injured player hooey they are using here, in my book. ETA, in fact I'm not sure there is a scenario that you could lay out where I would be convinced that it actually makes any sense at all.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:14 pm to Y.A. Tittle
My question is why FSU is ranked above Georgia?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:15 pm to DakIsNoLB
Georgia wouldn't have gotten in. As EZE Tiger Fan has said many times before, there are tiers of programs in CFB when it comes to perceived prestige. Like us, Georgia is a Tier 2 programs; so is Florida State. We can get the benefit of the doubt in some situations, but when it comes to being compared to a Tier 1 program like Bama/Ohio State/USC/Notre Dame, we're toast.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:20 pm to KwoodTiger
Whenever you have a committee making a decision on the Best 4 Teams ,you will always have a controversy! I believe both Georgia and Alabama are better teams than FSU. Not sure about Texas.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:23 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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My position on this situation is purely as to the principle of it all. I could give two shits personally about FSU.
If you are going to exclude an undefeated P5 team (in favor of a team with one loss), you have to come up with a more persuasive line of shite than this injured player hooey they are using here, in my book. ETA, in fact I'm not sure there is a scenario that you could lay out where I would be convinced that it actually makes any sense at all.
It wasn't just injured player. Cumulative win-loss record of opponents and quality of CCG win mattered too.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:26 pm to GeauxGutsy
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Imagine knighting for a team that said frick LSU all season
as opposed to those knighting for a team that's said "frick LSU" for the last 90 years give or take?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:27 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Don't agree. My question is, is your dislike for Bama influencing your opinion? Cause I really think they would beat Fla. St. head to head without JT.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:27 pm to DakIsNoLB
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wasn't just injured player. Cumulative win-loss record of opponents and quality of CCG win mattered too.
No it wasn't
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:28 pm to DakIsNoLB
I don’t care which excuse you give, if a P5 runs the table and wins their conference they’re in (unless the others they’re compared against do the same). It’s not that hard.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:29 pm to doubleb
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Neither did Cincinnati’s a couple of years back, but they got in because they were undefeated and won the American Conference. But they chose them.
Can't make that argument without looking at the specifics. The field that year was different. ND was 11-1. Baylor was 11-2 conference champion. Utah was a 10-3 PAC-12 champion. Everyone else were 2nd or 3rd place in their conference with 2 or 3 losses. That's a far different scenario than FSU getting bumped by 1-loss conference champions with stronger SoS. Had Cincinatti had one loss, maybe Baylor gets in.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:30 pm to DakIsNoLB
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Cumulative win-loss record of opponents and quality of CCG win mattered too.
In 2011, when there were only two teams allowed in, Bama got in with one of the weakest schedules in the entire top 25, and didn't win the SEC or SECW.
Explain.
Bama has also gotten in, what, two more times without winning the SEC. Explain.
PS - You aren't going to get a thank you from Bama and Saban for the blow jobs, but they appreciate the support.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:30 pm to Nutriaitch
Jesus fng Christ the bitching and moaning about Bama getting in is embarrassing. Y'all know damn well if LSU swapped places with Bama this year everyone of y'all would be fine with the committee sending LSU instead of FSU.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:31 pm to DakIsNoLB
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It wasn't just injured player. Cumulative win-loss record of opponents and quality of CCG win mattered too.
None of which trumps W-L records in comparing two P5 teams.
None of that analysis is to be undertaken until you determine you are discussing "otherwise comparable teams" under the CFP's stated rules. They don't define how you determine "otherwise comparable teams" but all of the analysis you address once that is determined, is pretty much all of the analysis that goes beyond W-L records, so one much logically assume "otherwise comparable teams" would be those with the SAME W-L records.
Hence, it's my contention they did not actually follow their own stated guidelines, unless someone can tell me how Bama and FSU were deemed to be "otherwise comparable teams" under their guidelines - nobody's been able to yet.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:32 pm to notbilly
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It's quite simple. The top four deserving teams would include Florida State over Texas. FSU went undefeated in a power 5 conference beating two SEC teams in the process. It's impossible to make a legit argument that they didn't deserve it. Texas lost to an inferior opponent (Oklahoma) and struggled with a couple of other teams with losing records. FSU deserves it more than Texas.
I didn't say they didn't deserve it. I said there are reasonable and rational arguments for both Texas and Bama to be considered both most deserving and best.
I don't know how it keeps getting ignored that FSU's opponents' cumulative win-loss record was 77-79. That doesn't support having played the most deserving schedule. They didn't play as tough a schedule as Bama and Texas.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:33 pm to KwoodTiger
guess they missed the bama usf game.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:35 pm to Nutriaitch
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and Michigan padded their schedule with East Carolina, UNLV, and Bowling Green
And? FSU had their cupcakes too.
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instead of LSU and Florida
LSU is the only one of those two to hang your hat on. That UF almost beat FSU with their backup quarterback doesn't help FSU's case.
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one has a SoS currently at 56, the other has one at 61.
very close to each other.
one gets to go all the way up to #1, the other is getting shite on.
Ohio St, Penn St, and Iowa were much better wins than any win FSU had.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:35 pm to KwoodTiger
They knew immediately after Alabama won.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:37 pm to DakIsNoLB
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don't know how it keeps getting ignored that FSU's opponents' cumulative win-loss record was 77-79. That doesn't support having played the most deserving schedule. They didn't play as tough a schedule as Bama and Texas.
By this logic they should have never been in the conversation in the first place.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:39 pm to Brazos
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Y'all know damn well if LSU swapped places with Bama this year everyone of y'all would be fine with the committee sending LSU instead of FSU.
FSU would get in ahead of LSU if the circumstances were similar, especially after beating LSU in week 1.
Losses matter to teams like LSU and other Tier 2 programs.
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