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re: Tennis 2019 -- The Unofficial Non-GS Thread
Posted on 4/24/19 at 11:49 pm to Kingpenm3
Posted on 4/24/19 at 11:49 pm to Kingpenm3
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With all that being said, points are hard to find at 150, and with all of the competition, making that jump up into the top 100 is crazy hard.
Yeah I think that’s why so many guys stick it out for so long. A big part of it is just catching the right break, whether that be a lucky loser spot in a big tourney, or a key withdrawal from a top player, or whatever else.
There’s a bunch of people complaining these days about changes on the ITF tour, but I’m actually on the other side of the fence on those issues. I think there’s way too many lower level tennis tournaments as it is.
The average casual fan really doesn’t care about anyone outside the top 10 anyway. It seems pointless to have 2000+ players touring. Not to mention... nobody watches any of those tourneys. They are all supported by the ATP or local sponsors. “But... the development of the players!” I’m pretty sure guys like Felix and Shitpants would be in the same position right now without the benefit of some random Futures tournies in Cyprus or wherever.
Get rid of all that crap and pay the guys in the top 20-100 a lot more.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 1:14 am
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 2:28 am to bayoucracka
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catching the right break
Ironically we have a perfect example of this right now.
From Twitter:
“Jannik Sinner really a lucky guy! WC for qualies, in 1R opponent retires, loses in 2R, and then 4 players forfeit from the main draw, so he enters and is drawed with the weakest opponent: a Hungarian WC w/ similar ranking to him”
So this 17 year old is now in the 2nd round of an ATP tourney while a bunch of tour vets are out because they had to play real opponents.
If tennis fails, he can always go into modeling...
Posted on 4/25/19 at 4:41 am to Kingpenm3
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Playing #374 Stephen Kozlov
I don't have a great explanation for why Kozlov hasn't done better as a pro. He was the best junior in the world -- or perhaps second best behind Tiafoe -- for an extended period. I mean, I get that there isn't always a 1 to 1 correlation between success in the junior ranks and success as a pro, but there is generally a much stronger correlation than what we are seeing with Kozlov.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 4:43 am to Kingpenm3
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Stephen Kozlov who happens to have won all 5 of the matches they have played against each othe
Nobody beats Sandgey 6 times in a row.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 4:47 am to Kingpenm3
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That is what i find so interesting about the 100-150 range in the rankings. At 150, which Kozlov got up to at some point, you are earning $50k/yr and barely getting by. At 100ish, you are direct draw into the majors and earning 400 or so (assuming you are winning enough to maintain that ranking).
Or looks at Sandgren, last year he had entries into every 250 and up leading up to the French that he wanted. After getting bounced out if the too 100 he's having to play challengers over here hoping he can get into the French without having to do qualifying.
With all that being said, points are hard to find at 150, and with all of the competition, making that jump up into the top 100 is crazy hard.
This is exactly why I will argue with anyone willing that pro tennis is the most competitive sports league on the planet. It's hyper-competitive at every twist and turn. Mad respect for Sandgren and all those other guys who keep grinding away.
It's also why match-fixing in the Challenger and Futures tours is something that needs to be taken very seriously. There's just so much incentive for somebody ranked in the upper 100s to take 20k from a shady russian mobster and in so doing, forego like a thousand bucks in prize money.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 4:55 am to Kingpenm3
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Or looks at Sandgren, last year he had entries into every 250 and up leading up to the French that he wanted. After getting bounced out if the too 100 he's having to play challengers over here hoping he can get into the French without having to do qualifying.
Sandgren is actually doing pretty well for himself so long as he's being prudent with his spending.
So, he's made roughly 1.5M in prize money overall.
He made 808K in 2008. Good year.
He's made 231K so far this year. Not too shabby either (thought it could be slim pickings the rest of the way).
Between 2008-2017 he made 419K. Granted the first couple of those years he was in college and only playing a few tournaments a year, but that's 41K per season. Which might not be terrible if you are working for somebody else. But paying for your own traveling expenses, equipment, coaching, etc. has to cost more than 41K a year, I would assume.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 4:57 am to bayoucracka
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Same price as last week with an easier draw.
I got torched in gambling last week. I think I'm gonna sit this one out. I'm still waiting for my bookie to text me with my tally. I'm too scared to run the numbers myself. I don't wanna look.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:07 am to bayoucracka
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The average casual fan really doesn’t care about anyone outside the top 10 anyway. It seems pointless to have 2000+ players touring. Not to mention... nobody watches any of those tourneys. They are all supported by the ATP or local sponsors. “But... the development of the players!” I’m pretty sure guys like Felix and Shitpants would be in the same position right now without the benefit of some random Futures tournies in Cyprus or wherever.
Get rid of all that crap and pay the guys in the top 20-100 a lot more.
I would probably find myself somewhere in the middle on this.
First of all, there aren't 2,000 players actually touring. There are 2,000 guys who earn greater than or equal to zero atp points in a given year, but maaaaybe 500 of those are playing tennis as their full time job. Or at least playing tennis as their full time job for an extended period of time.
Let's assume for the sake fo argument that it is 500 We all agree that anyone outside the top 100 is scraping tf by. So, I think the relevant question is "how many guys do we want to allow to make a living playing tennis"? I think that, whatever that number is, you make sure that they can remain above the abject poverty line.
This is arbitrary, and I reserve the right to change my mind after I think about it more, but I'll put that number at 300. Roughly 100 in the big leagues. 100 in AA ball. And 100 in single A.
The single A guys SHOULD be barely scraping by. Because nobody gives a frick about them. But perhaps scraping by just a little bit better than at present.
ETA: how any of this would be administered is beyond me. Would have to think about it. That's the tricky question.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 5:08 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:09 am to bayoucracka
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Jannik Sinner
He looks like a young Carrot Top.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:13 am to MidnightVibe
Sandgren plays Sandro Ehrat, out of Switzerland.
Ehrat is currently ranked 584. He is 28 years old with a career high ranking of 326.
There aren't any odds posted on 5D, but if there were I would probably throw down heavy on Tennys. He should win this one. Yes, that would make me a degen. We already knew this, though.
Ehrat is currently ranked 584. He is 28 years old with a career high ranking of 326.
There aren't any odds posted on 5D, but if there were I would probably throw down heavy on Tennys. He should win this one. Yes, that would make me a degen. We already knew this, though.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:17 am to MidnightVibe
There comes a time in every man's life when he must go full bankroll on Noah Rubin.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:27 am to MidnightVibe
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There comes a time in every man's life when he must go full bankroll on Noah Rubin.
Said no one, ever.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:38 am to gizmoflak
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Said no one, ever.
Indeed.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:39 am to MidnightVibe
Signs of life from Humpty Kei.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 10:44 am to MidnightVibe
Interesting...
Posted on 4/25/19 at 11:24 am to bayoucracka
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Interesting...
Did you find that on 5D?*
*about to check again
ETA: found it. put down a smidge. don't let me down, Sandge.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:07 pm to MidnightVibe
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First of all, there aren't 2,000 players actually touring.
True. I'm guilty of being lazy and using the rankings to make a point instead of putting thought into that.
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So, I think the relevant question is "how many guys do we want to allow to make a living playing tennis"?
Agreed. I feel like tennis kind of evolved from the top down with very little concern for the players and plenty concern for everything else.
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Roughly 100 in the big leagues. 100 in AA ball. And 100 in single A.
I almost feel like there should be a cut line, like if you're not ranked ____ by age ____ then you have to play on the Senior Challenger Tour or some shite.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:40 pm to MidnightVibe
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Sandro Ehrat
He started his career in 2009. His claim to fame, you could say, was losing to 28th-ranked Benoit Paire in the 2013 Orleans Challenger. Yes, our good friend Benny P was still vulturing the tennis tour back then too. In May 2013, Ehrat reached his career-high ranking of 297 after winning a F5 tourney where one of his victims was world #265 Damir Dzumhur. That was the beginning of a steady decline that saw him fall to #800 in July of 2016. At this point, for reasons unknown (presumably injury), he stepped away from tennis for 2 years.
I don't know what he did in those 2 years, but apparently he figured out how to play tennis. He has almost as many Challenger wins this week (2) as he had in his entire career before that (3). His stated goal on his website* is "to advance to the top 200 of the ATP Tour by 2021". Nothing wrong with low expectations, I guess.
He also has photos with some other Swiss players that are supposedly pretty good, but I don't recognize them.
That concludes today's episode of shite I Probably Don't Care About.
* Sandro Ehrat
The website lists his sponsors as Yonex, McDonald's (yes, that one), and Ehrat Fire.
Side note: Today I learned that .ch is a Swiss domain.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/25/19 at 2:41 pm to bayoucracka
Tennys takes the 1st 6-3.
Djere over Baby Carrot Top was the free-est money of the uhhh week. I made the mistake of watching a short highlight vid of the kid and I got worried. Like if you were to watch this and think Shapo is good on clay...
LINK
Don’t do that.
Djere over Baby Carrot Top was the free-est money of the uhhh week. I made the mistake of watching a short highlight vid of the kid and I got worried. Like if you were to watch this and think Shapo is good on clay...
LINK
Don’t do that.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:40 pm to bayoucracka
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Djere over Baby Carrot Top was the free-est money of the uhhh week
Dude, what were the odds? I didn't have any clue carrot top was playing again today, much less against a good dirtballer. I would have 100% gone full bankroll again.
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