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re: Tebow's camp privately admits that he's done in the NFL
Posted on 5/31/13 at 11:46 pm to Kracka
Posted on 5/31/13 at 11:46 pm to Kracka
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Regardless of how bad you all believe Tebow is, he got treated terribly last year.
yea, poor guy got paid to ride the pine.
boo hoo.
he doesn't "deserve" to start and if sitting the bench in the NFL is being treated horribly I'd love to live that life.
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Posted on 5/31/13 at 11:47 pm to Melvin
exactly 
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:14 am to Sophandros
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Smith, like Tebow, was a terrible QB. No one hated on him, but at the same time, NO ONE MADE EXCUSES FOR HIM OR PRAISED HIM DESPITE HIS SUCKING.
Smith also got 4 yrs to prove how much he sucked. Yet Tebow only gets one yr?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:15 am to TH03
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You're referring to this comment, right?
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If Tebow were black, they would make a Rooney rule for black QB's that you had to draft one first, start him an entire season before you drafted another QB.
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that's just a ridiculous statement
I want you guys to know I was really exaggerating and joking when I made that statement. Jeez do you guys have no sense of humor, or should I just be lumped in with tOSU guy?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:19 am to Kracka
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Smith also got 4 yrs to prove how much he sucked. Yet Tebow only gets one yr?
Akili Smith had one more start than Tim Tebow, but appeared in about 10 fewer games, which means that he had less of a chance to prove himself.
He also was much less of a distraction because he didn't have an irrational fan base.
This post was edited on 6/1/13 at 8:27 am
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:32 am to Sophandros
Also, Smith was in the league for four years to Tebow's three, which was the length of each player's rookie contract.
Both had 11 starts in their second year, and they completed 46 and 47 percent of their passes.
Both are out of the league because they are inaccurate passers who had a hard time grasping an NFL playbook while adjusting to to speed of the league.
All of the other shite associated with Tebow is lagniappe.
Both had 11 starts in their second year, and they completed 46 and 47 percent of their passes.
Both are out of the league because they are inaccurate passers who had a hard time grasping an NFL playbook while adjusting to to speed of the league.
All of the other shite associated with Tebow is lagniappe.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:41 am to Kracka
I have to laugh at the guy who brought up Harrington earlier. As shitty a NFL QB as he was, he was still given opportunities to start for 2 teams after Detroit. Guys like Seneca Wallace, Derek Anderson, the McCowns have started for multiple teams. Maybe the reason Tebow can't get a shot because he's just not a good QB. Why is the simplest answer the hardest to accept?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 8:45 am to craigbiggio
I've been waiting since page 2 of this thread for a list of QBs who are worse than Tebow who got more of an opportunity than he did.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 9:07 am to Sophandros
I find Tebow haters to be even more irrational than Tebow lovers. It's just ridiculous. It's like he punched your sister or something. Anyway, here is a list of the QB's from 2011:
LINK
If you sort the table by adjusted yards/attempt, my personal favorite metric for QB's, the following QB's had a worse AY/A than Tebow:
Tarvarius Jakcson
Andy Dalton
Kyle Orton
Mark Sanchez
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Rex Grossman
Matt Cassel
Sam Bradford
John Skelton
Colt McCoy
Josh Freeman
Christian Ponder
Curtis Painter
Blaine Gabbert
Tebow ranked 21st in the league in AY/A among the 34 qualifying QB's, which makes him slightly below average. Also, remember this was his first year as a starter, he has great running ability, and he did post a winning record and guide his team to a win in the playoffs. Now, this doesn't make him Johnny Unitas or anything, but its certainly better than Babe Laufenberg.
I can't believe a guy with that performance in his first year as a starter is getting drummed out of the league without taking another snap as a starter. It just shows how limited NFL personnel men are in what their conception of what a QB is. No, Tebow is not a great passer. But you're telling me a team like Jacksonville is better off with a standard issue terrible QB.
The bias against Tebow is that he is totally different, and it requires thinking differently. And if there's one thing the NFL hates, it is people who do not step in lockstep with orthodoxy.
LINK
If you sort the table by adjusted yards/attempt, my personal favorite metric for QB's, the following QB's had a worse AY/A than Tebow:
Tarvarius Jakcson
Andy Dalton
Kyle Orton
Mark Sanchez
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Rex Grossman
Matt Cassel
Sam Bradford
John Skelton
Colt McCoy
Josh Freeman
Christian Ponder
Curtis Painter
Blaine Gabbert
Tebow ranked 21st in the league in AY/A among the 34 qualifying QB's, which makes him slightly below average. Also, remember this was his first year as a starter, he has great running ability, and he did post a winning record and guide his team to a win in the playoffs. Now, this doesn't make him Johnny Unitas or anything, but its certainly better than Babe Laufenberg.
I can't believe a guy with that performance in his first year as a starter is getting drummed out of the league without taking another snap as a starter. It just shows how limited NFL personnel men are in what their conception of what a QB is. No, Tebow is not a great passer. But you're telling me a team like Jacksonville is better off with a standard issue terrible QB.
The bias against Tebow is that he is totally different, and it requires thinking differently. And if there's one thing the NFL hates, it is people who do not step in lockstep with orthodoxy.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 9:42 am to Baloo
The last post is proof that you can manipulate stats to say whatever you want. Good qb's in the NFL are a premium. Believe it or not the league and any team in need of selling tickets wants Tebow to succeed. The fact is, he isn't very good, period. The NFL doesn't wait. If he was good, he would be starting for someone. He's not.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 9:47 am to Baloo
None of those guys is an objectively worse QB than Tebow.
None of them.
Tebow got a fair shake and was proven to be a terrible NFL QB.
Other terrible NFL QBs have been rejected with no fanfare. Why are people giving special treatment to Tebow?
None of them.
Tebow got a fair shake and was proven to be a terrible NFL QB.
Other terrible NFL QBs have been rejected with no fanfare. Why are people giving special treatment to Tebow?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:01 am to Sophandros
None of them are objectively better. And in fact, they are "objectively worse" by a pretty standard metric. I'm not a fan of One True Numbers, but it does give us a decent ballpark to work in. Tebow put up slightly below average numbers, and you are tryig to argue he is one of the worst QB's ever. Which is just silly, but go ahead, it's no skin off my nose.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:10 am to Baloo
He can't grasp his playbook.
He can't complete over 48% of his passes (meaning he's inaccurate).
He has not shown any improvement in his skills.
He simply does not have "it" to consistently be a solid starter in the NFL. He has not shown the ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL.
These are all facts.
Tebow is a terrible NFL QB. Period.
So again, why do Tebow supporters want him to be treated differently from other terrible QBs?
He can't complete over 48% of his passes (meaning he's inaccurate).
He has not shown any improvement in his skills.
He simply does not have "it" to consistently be a solid starter in the NFL. He has not shown the ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL.
These are all facts.
Tebow is a terrible NFL QB. Period.
So again, why do Tebow supporters want him to be treated differently from other terrible QBs?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:15 am to Sophandros
Sorry for bringing in objective evidence. I'll let you continue with building and then knocking over strawmen.
My mistake. You are clearly reasonable in your abject hatred of what, statistically, is a mediocre QB. And this long thread in which you continually post in shows that you don't have any sort of vendetta against the guy. My apologies.
BTW, those weren't facts. They were opinions.
My mistake. You are clearly reasonable in your abject hatred of what, statistically, is a mediocre QB. And this long thread in which you continually post in shows that you don't have any sort of vendetta against the guy. My apologies.
BTW, those weren't facts. They were opinions.
This post was edited on 6/1/13 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:21 am to Baloo
I don't hate Tebow. Several pages (and several threads) ago, I said that the greatest injustice was that McDaniels drafted him in the first round and put too much pressure on him. He should have been allowed to acclimate to the league and work on his shortcomings. He was never afforded that opportunity and it's a shame.
Now, I vehemently disagree with your assessment that he's a mediocre QB, but that's beside the point. Tebow's fans insist that he gets treated as if he's a good QB when he is, at best, mediocre.
Plenty of mediocre QBs are out of the league after their rookie deal is done. So again, why is Tebow treated so differently from them? I didn't see all of the outcry when, say, JP Losman was out of the league.
Now, I vehemently disagree with your assessment that he's a mediocre QB, but that's beside the point. Tebow's fans insist that he gets treated as if he's a good QB when he is, at best, mediocre.
Plenty of mediocre QBs are out of the league after their rookie deal is done. So again, why is Tebow treated so differently from them? I didn't see all of the outcry when, say, JP Losman was out of the league.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:23 am to Baloo
His 48% completion percentage isn't an opinion. Observations from coaches at practice where his throws are way off target isn't an opinion. His delay of game penalties aren't an opinion. Denver's having to drastically reduce the play book isn't an opinion.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:30 am to Sophandros
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He can't complete over 48% of his passes (meaning he's inaccurate).
That's what you said. That's an opinion. He did have a 48% completion rate, but that's not what you are saying. You are saying that he CANNOT do better than that. He did complete 50% of his passes in his abbreviated rookie season, in which he had a little under 100 attempts. So he CAN complete more. It alos assumes he can't get better.
The whole thing about not knowing playbooks and being unable to learn is pure speculation. Maybe he can't, I really don't know. But saying that a team reduced their playbook for a mid-season replacement QB in only his second season in the NFL is hardly some terrible indictment. That's actually kind of the norm.
But I've now posted more about Tebow in this thread than I have in about two years. So I'll stop. I don't really care that much, but I do find the Tebow obsessives are not his fans, they are his detractors.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:30 am to Sophandros
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He can't grasp his playbook.
He can't complete over 52% of his passes (meaning he's inaccurate).
He has not shown any improvement in his skills.
He simply does not have "it" to consistently be a solid starter in the NFL. He has not shown the ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL.
These are all facts.
JR is a terrible NFL QB. Period.
So again, why do JR supporters want him to be treated differently from other terrible QBs?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:51 am to Baloo
YAY SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT TEBOW AND IT MEANS YOU HATE HIM
LOVE THAT LOGIC.
Sorry for the caps but i feel like this has fallen on deaf ears.
LOVE THAT LOGIC.
Sorry for the caps but i feel like this has fallen on deaf ears.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 10:55 am to wildtigercat93
And I think that he should go to Canada, hone his skills, and then try to come back to the NFL.
But I guess that means that I hate the guy.
But I guess that means that I hate the guy.
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