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re: TAMU just MAY have hired themselves a good coach
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:33 am to wahoocs
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:33 am to wahoocs
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I have no idea what that emoticon means.
It means I double posted
Florida won with Chris Leak, who was a good, but not all time great QB.
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I'm not a fan of the hurry up spread offense, and I don't think it will consistently win championships.
05 Texas 06,08 Florida and 10 Auburn all won with it.
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There's a reason the NFL hasn't embraced this system
The Patriots run a hurry up, the Redskins are running a lot pistol this year.
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:42 am to wahoocs
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So, it seems they consistently won their conference, but played in one title game?
No?
Well in the last 4 years, only Alabama has played in multiple title games, The National Title in College Football is still largely decided by a vote. Oregon is 37-4 the last 3 years. That's a better record than Alabama. Unfortunately they didn't get to play Bama this year, but they still have the same number of loses.
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The boring style of offense that Bama, LSU, and Florida(now) have a much better chance of annually competing for championships, than A&M does.
Actually it doesn't.
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There's 25 QBs or more on the rosters of college football teams across the nation that could have LSU or Florida playing ND Monday night.
Even the great Johnny Manziel couldn't get A&M there.
Then why aren't LSU and Florida there? A&M has a better record than LSU and the same as Florida.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
My two picks for coach in 07 were Brian Kelly and Sumlin. Still glad our coach didn't leave. I'd take Miles over both of those guys.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:12 pm to Froman
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My two picks for coach in 07 were Brian Kelly and Sumlin. Still glad our coach didn't leave. I'd take Miles over both of those guys.
You mean 2009. In 2007 Kelly had just left Cent Mich for Cincy and Sumlin had just left OU as Co-OC/WR coach for Houston.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The National Title in College Football is still largely decided by a vote. Oregon is 37-4 the last 3 years.
I've said that system has a better chance outside of the SEC. But, for the sake of this discussion, I'm talking about in the SEC.
There are seasons out of the last four that Oregon could have lost 3 games within that season in the SEC.
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The boring style of offense that Bama, LSU, and Florida(now) have a much better chance of annually competing for championships, than A&M does. Actually it doesn't.
Now you're just in denial, because you cannot really believe this. Post your email and we will discuss a wager. It will cover a span of no less than six years up to 10. It will be even odds on A&M playing in the SECCG more than any of those teams during that span. And it will have to be at least 5 figures for the bother.
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Then why aren't LSU and Florida there?
I thought it was clear they lacked a suitable QB.
[quote]A&M has a better record than LSU and the same as Florida.
This is dummy talk. What significance does the teams records after bowl games have to do with anything.
I really don't disagree with many of your points, but I refuse to believe that a Kelly, Sumlin, and Holgerson type scheme is the way to build a program that will consistently compete for SEC championships. The ones that have worked, Tebow and Newton, were not hurry up, and put the QB too much in harm's way.
A Saban, Miles approach has been more consistent, and it's apparent it doesn't require a Heisman Trophy winner for the team to accomplish its goals. And, it's also apparent that Saban and his staffs have been way more successful in identifying and developing QB's that can manage.
Obviously, I could be a lot more hypercritical of Miles here, but I do believe ball control and the ability to get short yardage when needed by grinding it out are essential.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
You were one smart guy. All over a TE/ST coach and then Co OC/(which he is not even listed as)WR coach in 07 for the OU team that lost to Boise. Yep....Everyone wanted that dude.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:32 pm to VegasPro
perhaps you should read the entire thread?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:34 pm to OldTigahFot
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Agreed, outside of the NFL is there another job in the country worth jumping to from aTm ?
Oregon? Easy to get adjusted and pretty much a sure 2 losses or less every season.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:35 pm to VegasPro
why would he leave a talent rich area like south TX to go to Oregon?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:35 pm to Froman
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I'd take Miles over both of those guys
over BK? not sherrif srs?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why would he leave a talent rich area like south TX to go to Oregon?
Not saying he would, but it would most assuredly give him a better path to the championship.
Getting TX kids to Oregon with Nike would not be a big stretch.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:42 pm to wahoocs
UO already has a long relationship with TX high schools but getting them is still a lot tougher
UO does have the attention of Cali HS, too, but i just don't see UO having the same sort of recruiting potential, especially in the lines. they get skill guys due to the system, but i think TAMU is going to do the same
hell, i keep hearing from LC people that trey quinn would be an aggie if he had to pick today
UO does have the attention of Cali HS, too, but i just don't see UO having the same sort of recruiting potential, especially in the lines. they get skill guys due to the system, but i think TAMU is going to do the same
hell, i keep hearing from LC people that trey quinn would be an aggie if he had to pick today
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why would he leave a talent rich area like south TX to go to Oregon?
No competition. Easier conference.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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perhaps you should read the entire thread?
Dont need to...Guessing you went back on your original post and said O it was 2009. But you came here to post this because you wanted to toot your own horn about Sumlin saying you knew he was good 6 years ago.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:50 pm to wahoocs
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There are seasons out of the last four that Oregon could have lost 3 games within that season in the SEC.
LSU could have lost 4-5 in the SEC this year and 2010. Hypotheticals are meaningless, besides I'm willing to be you didn't think A&M could compete with that offense, now you will just crawfish and say its because they have a special QB or something.
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Now you're just in denial, because you cannot really believe this. Post your email and we will discuss a wager. It will cover a span of no less than six years up to 10. It will be even odds on A&M playing in the SECCG more than any of those teams during that span. And it will have to be at least 5 figures for the bother.
I have no interest in betting you and I'm not just talking about A&M. Since 2005, only Bama has won a title with that style of offense. Texas, Florida and Auburn have all won running various of spread offense. Oregon did get there. OU has been to multiple NC games running a wide open offense. That they lost 3 is not because they did not run a power running game that believes 3 things happen when you pass and 2 of them are bad. You do not have to forego defense to have a more open offense.
I personally prefer a more pro style passing attack like USC and Miami ran in their hey day and both of those teams and both of those teams had great defenses.
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A Saban, Miles approach has been more consistent, and it's apparent it doesn't require a Heisman Trophy winner for the team to accomplish its goals. And, it's also apparent that Saban and his staffs have been way more successful in identifying and developing QB's that can manage.
I don't see how it is difficult to find and develop a game manager at QB
And I think you have the order backwards. When you have a great QB, he can win the Heisman, but it does not require that to be successful. There is more than one way to build a program. Saban's way requires you to recruit the best class and have have more talent than everyone else. You can't do that at Oregon or Ok State. Now Texas A&M can so we will see what they do on defense. Florida had great D's along with Tebow, if A&M does that they can easily win SEC and NC's.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell, i keep hearing from LC people that trey quinn would be an aggie if he had to pick today
Yeah, I probably know many of the same Barbe folks you do, and yes, they tell me the same thing. He's a big Swopes fan, but the Manziel appeal is BS. That kid won't be there when and if he goes.
I agree about the linemen, but his system will have a difficult time making it through the SEC, for the reasons I've put forth in here.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:50 pm to VegasPro
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Guessing you went back on your original post and said O it was 2009. But you came here to post this because you wanted to toot your own horn about Sumlin saying you knew he was good 6 years ago.
other people pointed out my timeline was wrong i admitted i was wrong and thanked them
then linked a thread from the correct era discussing it, giving credick to those who were right
THE HORROR
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:58 pm to wahoocs
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but it would most assuredly give him a better path to the championship.
He was 1 win away from playing for it this year
Alabama is the top program, not because they run a ball control offense, but because their coach is the best in the business and one of the best ever. If it was a simple as just running a ball control offense, everyone would do it.
Hell, Saban's mentor and defensive guru has been running a wide open attack for years now and winning at a high level. The Giants run a lot of 4 receiver sets, their OC is Kevin Gillbride and Mouse Davis disciple. The Saints and Packers run wide open offense. You can win and have a good defense with an open offense. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:05 pm to wahoocs
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t the Manziel appeal is BS. That kid won't be there when and if he goes.
He could go pro next year, but I'd be surprised if JFF is not still there in 2014 when Quinn would be a frosh. Plus a lot of Texas HS are running the spread, so there is no shortage of QB's to run that system. The next QB won't be as good maybe, but he doesn't have to be as good, he just has to be good.
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but his system will have a difficult time making it through the SEC, for the reasons I've put forth in here.
your opinion, not surprising from someone that thinks bunting is a good idea
but we'll see.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
fwiw, i think family/social pressure leads to quinn ending up at LSU when it's all said and done
i don't know the kid, but if smith likes LSU and their QB fontenot goes to LSU for baseball, i can't see quinn going to TAMU
i don't know the kid, but if smith likes LSU and their QB fontenot goes to LSU for baseball, i can't see quinn going to TAMU
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