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re: T or F: Tampa would be 1st or 2nd in the NFC South if they had a top 20 NFL QB
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:52 pm to bigpetedatiga
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:52 pm to bigpetedatiga
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I think Freeman is a pretty good quarterback. I'd say he is maybe 15-17.
I disagree. I'd rate him behind the following:
Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Manning
Rivers
Vick
Luck
Wilson
Kaepernick
Romo
Ryan
Bradford
FLacco
Newton
Cutler
Schaub
Stafford
Roethlisberger
Then there's arguments for Palmer, Alex Smith, and RGIII.
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Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:53 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:
I think Freeman is a pretty good quarterback. I'd say he is maybe 15-17.
That would make Freeman mediocre by definition. Pretty good would imply better than average. Thinking about all the shite Tony Romo gets, him on TB would be very interesting.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:53 pm to td01241
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Defender doesnt get penalty against the Jets Tampa Wins, kicker doesnt miss a kick today Tampa wins. Nice thread though.
Exactly. Like I said: an even marginally better QB like Alex Smith or Sam Bradford wins both of these games.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:53 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:You're saying half the league would get an upgrade at QB with Freeman?
I think Freeman is a pretty good quarterback. I'd say he is maybe 15-17.
I think not. He has potential to be a top 15-17 QB, but that's potential. He's a bottom tier NFL starter right now. Real games aren't Fantasy leagues.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:54 pm to Moustache
quote:
Exactly. Like I said: an even marginally better QB like Alex Smith or Sam Bradford wins both of these games.
No, maybe a competent kicker and better coaching to not get stupid penalties win those games. I can play this game too.
ETA: Im not arguing for Freeman being a good quarterback by any means, but the point is Tampa should be 2-0 and it isnt Freemans fault they arent. In the end he put them in position to win both games.
This post was edited on 9/15/13 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:54 pm to Moustache
RG3 should be ahead too. He just needs to get back from injury. last year he was 50x's better than Free man
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:56 pm to td01241
quote:
No, maybe a competent kicker and better coaching to not get stupid penalties win those games. I can play this game too.
ETA: Im not arguing for Freeman being a good quarterback by any means, but the point is Tampa should be 2-0 and it isnt Freemans fault they arent. In the end he put them in position to win both games.
Freeman not completing passes and not moving the chains put the kicker in that position. If they're this close with terrible QB play, how could they not win both of those games with a better QB? You're not making sense.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:57 pm to Moustache
9-22 puts blame on him
not all the blame but he deserves some
not all the blame but he deserves some
Posted on 9/15/13 at 8:58 pm to Moustache
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Freeman not completing passes and not moving the chains put the kicker in that position. If they're this close with terrible QB play, how could they not win both of those games with a better QB? You're not making sense.
Of course if they had Aaron Rodgers they would be better, what a shocker! Doesnt change the fact they should be 2-0 with Freeman and it isnt his fault they choked those games away.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:00 pm to Moustache
I think he is better then cutler and Bradford.
Maybe pretty good is a bit strong, but he is not bad by any means. I think a bad online and a coach that hates you help.
Lets not forget he lead a Tampa Bay offense that was ranked ninth in the league. Tenth in passing.
He is quite capable, it may be time for him to leave though.
Maybe pretty good is a bit strong, but he is not bad by any means. I think a bad online and a coach that hates you help.
Lets not forget he lead a Tampa Bay offense that was ranked ninth in the league. Tenth in passing.
He is quite capable, it may be time for him to leave though.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:01 pm to Moustache
false
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:04 pm to wish i was tebow
You can't just look at the stat sheet and say someone sucked. Jackson did drop 2 passes on 3rd down and then had that 70 yard td called back because the rt wasn't lined up right. There were a few balls Williams and Ogletree should have come up with too. Freeman just needs to work with the right coach.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:04 pm to bigpetedatiga
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I think he is better then cutler and Bradford
No way
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:05 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:
I think he is better then cutler and Bradford.
No
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:06 pm to ZTiger87
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You can't just look at the stat sheet and say someone sucked. Jackson did drop 2 passes on 3rd down and then had that 70 yard td called back because the rt wasn't lined up right. There were a few balls Williams and Ogletree should have come up with too. Freeman just needs to work with the right coach.
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I didnt just look at the stat sheet. I have watched both their games this year and Freeman is not good.
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:06 pm to Moustache
if they made less bonehead mistakes...they could do it with Freeman, honestly
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:07 pm to iliveinabox
their line is pretty spotty too
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:07 pm to Edearl Watson
quote:
True
with a new coach
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:08 pm to td01241
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Freeman hasnt lost them a game this year.
9 for 22.
Let me repeat that :
9 for 22
Posted on 9/15/13 at 9:10 pm to Moustache
False.
That team falls on coaching. Huge penalties played a major factor in them now being able to gain a bigger lead.
That team falls on coaching. Huge penalties played a major factor in them now being able to gain a bigger lead.
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