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re: Steph Curry is the best player of the Lebron era
Posted on 4/28/23 at 6:25 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/28/23 at 6:25 pm to lsupride87
Again you’re deflecting and I think it’s funny that you believe winning isn’t the goal in sports. Just further proves people like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Posted on 4/28/23 at 9:44 pm to QJenk
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But the 3 of them being the same age, so that they were in their primes at the exact same time.
The Heatles were all in the same draft class.
Next question.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 12:22 am to GolfIsGood
quote:LeBron and Curry played each other in 4 NBA finals. LeBron was better than him in all 4, and he probably wasn’t even the best player on his own team in any of them. Hell. AI won the Finals MVP in 2015, for holding LeBron to 35.8, 13.3, and 8.8 without Kyrie (for all but game 1) and Love.
LeBron and later in his career, I think Curry has been greater.
LeBron is no worse than the 2nd best player of all time, and no one else is even close to him and MJ. There is really isn’t a Mount Rushmore of basketball (at least at this point), because it’s just LeBron and Jordan.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 12:24 am to buckeye_vol
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it’s just LeBron and Jordan
I think you can firmly include Kareem and Russell
Posted on 4/29/23 at 1:06 am to lsuguy84
quote:Kareem and then a toss up between Bird and Magic. I just don’t get why people rank Russell so high. Few people alive have ever seen more than a handful of games on tape. He played when there were like 8 teams for good portion of his career.
I think you can firmly include Kareem and Russell
And despite being nearly 7 feet tall when players were a bit shorter, he shot 44% from the field and 56% from the line. By comparison, Wilt (another tall players but abysmal FT shooter), shot 53% from the field in the 10 seasons their careers overlapped, so it’s not just some era thing (even though as a center he shot around league average, when typically centers shoot well above it).
So I just think that there is a decent chance he’s one of the most overrated players of all time. But I just can’t really prove that, because nobody can prove how great he was because nobody has seen him play, and stats were limited.
So they go off championships, but it’s a lot easier to when a champions up with the vast majority of your career there were only 8 teams. I’m sure he’s an all time great; I just doubt he’s close to the top 5.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 1:08 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 1:24 am to buckeye_vol
He beat Wilt head to head, won those championships, and won his last few as a player/head coach. Dude was something else. If anything, underrated.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 1:41 am to lsuguy84
quote:I mean how do we know how good he was. There are like a few game tales even available, and I bet many who say he’s one of the GOATs has never watched a single one or looked up his stats on BBall Ref.
He beat Wilt head to head, won those championships, and won his last few as a player/head coach. Dude was something else. If anything, underrated.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 7:45 pm to buckeye_vol
This would be an argument if Lebron and the Cavs didn't beat the 72 win warriors in the finals in 2016
Posted on 4/30/23 at 8:37 pm to thejuiceisloose
Curry with another Masterpiece.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 9:11 pm to Madking
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Again you’re deflecting and I think it’s funny that you believe winning isn’t the goal in sports. Just further proves people like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Winning is always the goal in sports. But basketball is a team sport and you're trying to use an entire team to prove a single player is better than another which is dumb.
You have to use a combination of individual success and team success to rate a players overall greatness. If you used just titles, Bill Russell would be tGOAT. If you used just stats, Russell Westbrook would be a top 10 player all time.
Lebron is a statistical GOAT and also has great team success.
Curry has great team success and could possibly have better team success than LeBron once its all said and done, but he will never come close to his statistical success. Also, the fact that he has been a career subpar defender will keep him from being a top 5 player.
Lebron is the oldest player in the league (not named Udonis Haslem, Carmela Anthony, or Andre Iguodola who have COMBINED to score less than 50 points this season) and he's still averaging 29\8\7
Even in year 20, he is expected to lead a team to compete for a championship. There has never and will never be a player in the league with these expectations\aspirations this far along in their career.
This post was edited on 4/30/23 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 4/30/23 at 9:59 pm to Vanilla Ice
quote:I never liked that about him, to me it is a cop out when he does that, not using his size to drive to the goal and jackin up 3s all the time. He did it 1 time against doe boy Dillon and look what happened, Dillon couldn't stop him as he bulled his way to the goal for the kill shot. But Lebrick is starting to look his age now, he's showing the signs. Also, people list at 6'9, but he's more 6'8 than 6'9, but it doesn't make much of a difference.
Imagine being 6'9, 250 and jacking up 9 thress, frickin prick
This post was edited on 4/30/23 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:04 pm to TigerMan327
Nope
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:10 pm to TigerMan327
you're right, I agree with some of that, but at this stage in his career he's more dependent upon his teammates than I've ever seen him before. I watched him all of that series against Memphis and he wasn't doing much except in key situations in certain games. I guess it's age catching up with him, but he was letting his younger teammates carry most of the load in these games, Anthony Davis finally looked dominant, especially that last game.
This post was edited on 4/30/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:18 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Because he was a dominant defensive center that was the cornerstone behind all of those great Celtic championship teams. Russell may not have been a great offensive talent at center like Kareem and Wilt, but NO center played defense like him. He's arguably the NBAs greatest defensive player, blocked shots and shut down opposing centers like Wilt, and was a great rebounder and passer for a big man as well.
I just don't get why people rank Russell so high.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:20 pm to Boodis Man
quote:It would do more good for “titles aren’t EVERYTHING” folks than it would for Curry > Lebron people.
Another title for curry this season would seal his superiority over LeBron. Facts
Because nobody sane thinks Steph is a better basketball player and more valuable than Lebron.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:23 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:This just seems ridiculous
He has said that he wasn’t happy after winning those championships. And the warriors never embraced him. There was stories that the whole team lived in the east bay except KD, he lived in SF. Never hung out with the team. Green said we don’t need you, etc.
Which story is correct? Did they go kiss his feet and beg for him to come or did they hate him so much they made him live far away from the team?
They won rings before him, became the winningest team of all time before him, and won rings after him.
What you posted makes him look like a huge pussy and Draymond was correct.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:26 pm to TigerMan327
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Even in year 20, he is expected to lead a team to compete for a championship. There has never and will never be a player in the league with these expectations\aspirations this far along in their career.
Kareem was still a centerpiece of those Laker teams that went to the finals every year when he was in his late 30s.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:30 pm to BayouChamp
quote:Love missed a game in that series from a shot to the head by a GS player but Draymond getting suspended is why Lebron won that championship?
With a little help from the league in suspending Draymond
Didn’t Lebron lead everyone in the series in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals?
This post was edited on 4/30/23 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:37 pm to AUFANATL
quote:Is 22/7 as a center for the Lakers on a prime Magic team really the same thing as what people expect from Lebron James in year 20 as the most mileage having player in the history of the sport?
Kareem was still a centerpiece of those Laker teams that went to the finals every year when he was in his late 30s.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 10:43 pm to AUFANATL
Kareem averaged 10 ppg in year 20 and was 3rd/4th best player. The 2-3 years before that he was 3rd best player averaging 17ish
Which is absolutely amazing. He’s the only other player in league history to be that productive that late in his career. And then Lebron shows up and completely shatters that accomplishment.
Kareem got to ride the coat tails of Magic in his last few years and sneak in 3 more nba championships. If Lebron became a third option and won two more championships it would some how be a blimish to his legacy to some of the idiots in this thread
Which is absolutely amazing. He’s the only other player in league history to be that productive that late in his career. And then Lebron shows up and completely shatters that accomplishment.
Kareem got to ride the coat tails of Magic in his last few years and sneak in 3 more nba championships. If Lebron became a third option and won two more championships it would some how be a blimish to his legacy to some of the idiots in this thread
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