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UnluckyTiger
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Rooting for Blues to win this thing. This Boston team will be the most meh Stanley Cup champion that I can remember.


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If we are talking about this series then the Blues are definitely not “so much better” 5v5 lol, nothing except bias would make someone say this.
The point differential across the 6 games so far this series is 7... Bruins only had 1 more PP opportunity than the Blues this series (if not counting the 2 men penalty in the last 30 seconds of last nights game). PP opportunities does not wholly explain the 7 point difference. If you contend that the difference is due to the special teams then the 5v5 cannot be so lopsided like you suggest, otherwise we just wouldn’t see a 7 point difference over 6 games.

Both teams seem actually roughly evenly matched at 5v5 if you look at numbers. It’s been a really solid series in my book for a strange year for the cup. 5v5 Blues seem to be a slightly better at transitions, a bit more physical and harder hitting, but Boston has had slightly more effective offense, and a better tender between the pipes.

Bruins advantages: home game 7, PP, PPkill, goalie performance
Blues advantage: more physical. Marginal 5v5 advantage.


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if the blues stay out of the box they have a good chance at winning.


This can be said about 1/2 of teams in any sport (if they can avoid any penalties) has a good chance to win vs other team (that doesn’t avoid penalties).


Dawgsontop34
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Bruins only had 1 more PP opportunity than the Blues this series


You’re using opportunities here, and not results.


AbitaFan08
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Following the high highs and the low lows of all the Blues fans on here has been entertaining as hell.


Jesterea
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Wife and I are in Boston for our honeymoon. I know nothing about hockey. Should we still go watch the game at a bar?


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This can be said about 1/2 of teams in any sport (if they can avoid any penalties) has a good chance to win vs other team (that doesn’t avoid penalties).



not really, and the entire point in my post is stating that the blues are a better 5v5 team. nothing more, nothing less.


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Blues are done, stick a fork in them.

City came out in full force, the team didn't.


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You’re using opportunities here, and not results.


Well yeah you might think this because you didn’t understand my post. The teams have had basically equal opportunity on PP. I also referred to the fact that the PP just does not account for 7 point differential in the series so far.

If you exclude all PP offensive stats, Bruins have scored 1 more goal 5v5 (or maybe a man down goal). If you include PP stats then bruins are up 7.

With or without PP bruins lead the series in goals. This is the result, it is just a fact.


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Wife and I are in Boston for our honeymoon. I know nothing about hockey. Should we still go watch the game at a bar?


That's awesome and welcome to Boston.

Glad there's been some really great weather here for your trip.

Y'all should go to Tavern in the Square for the game. It's a big sports bar directly across the street from TD Garden so it should be incredibly lively and a good time. But I'll warn you - you'll want to get there early. I'd imagine it's going to get crazy there.


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not really, and the entire point in my post is stating that the blues are a better 5v5 team. nothing more, nothing less


My point posting was that the blues are not significantly better 5v5 this series. Even If you exclude PP stats then bruins are still leading the series in goals. I dont see any meaningful stats that suggests the blues are better at any segment of the game this series except maybe hit count and slightly on face offs.


Dawgsontop34
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Well yeah you might think this because you didn’t understand my post. The teams have had basically equal opportunity on PP. I also referred to the fact that the PP just does not account for 7 point differential in the series so far.

If you exclude all PP offensive stats, Bruins have scored 1 more goal 5v5 (or maybe a man down goal). If you include PP stats then bruins are up 7.

With or without PP bruins lead the series in goals. This is the result, it is just a fact.



I understood the rest of the post. I think you’re just looking at numbers and not understanding context. The Blues have also given up a short handed goal, and more than 4 goals in the last few minutes of games they were already dominating so either empty netters or when the Blues were playing a different style.

That matters as well.
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mizslu314
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they have more goals because in two of those games, they scored a ton. but in the other 4 games, the blues were a better 5 v 5, im not sure how you dont see this, its been very obvious. I dont care if we lose by 1 or by 10, in most of the games this series we were better at full strength.
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jackwoods4
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My point posting was that the blues are not significantly better 5v5 this series. Even If you exclude PP stats then bruins are still leading the series in goals. I dont see any meaningful stats that suggests the blues are better at any segment of the game this series except maybe hit count and slightly on face offs.


Shorthanded goal. Empty net goals. Also, PPs swing momentum. Bruins have looked lost many times in 5on5 and the Blues taking a stupid penalty has gotten the Bruins going, even if they didn't score on the actual PP.

The Blues have been noticably better 5on5 to me. Special teams have been the difference in this series.


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I understood the rest of the post. I think you’re just looking at numbers and not understanding context. The Blues have also given up a short handed goal, and more than 4 goals in the last few minutes of games they were already dominating so either empty netters or when the Blues were playing a different style. That matters as well.

I look at numbers and context which is why I can clearly see the 5v5 is roughly evenly matched this series.

5v4 is not a defense for letting a goal go...its the opposite.
Empty netters mean your team had basically already lost, not a great argument to use to defend that a team is better 5v5.
Giving up goals switching play is classic errors in 5v5 play.
Giving up multiple goals in the last minutes of a game that you are “dominating” is also a bad argument of 5v5 dominance. There’s 3 periods in hockey, only showing up for the first 2 is not 5v5 dominance.

Even considering those factors you listed bruins are still up in goals this series if you consider the PP lmao. It’s only after taking away the blues errors you mentioned AND all eliminating the bruins PP that the Blues have better stats this series and it would only be leading by like 2 goals.



Dawgsontop34
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I look at numbers and context


Except you’re clearly not using context.

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Empty netters mean your team had basically already lost, not a great argument to use to defend that a team is better 5v5.


Well if one team is vastly superior on the PP, there’s a good chance that could make a difference in the earlier periods.

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It’s only after taking away the blues errors you mentioned AND all eliminating the bruins PP that the Blues have better stats this series and it would only be leading by like 2 goals.



What errors did I mention? I don’t know if I’d go as far as saying the Blues are vastly superior in 5-on-5, but they’ve clearly been the better team.


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they have more goals because in two of those games, they scored a ton. but in the other 4 games, the blues were a better 5 v 5, im not sure how you dont see this, its been very obvious. I dont care if we lose by 1 or by 10, in most of the games this series we were better at full strength.


Because I’m basing my info from the series not 2 cherry picked games where the blues were better 5v5. Not sure how anyone uses the fact that their team was scored on a ton to defend that team is dominant in any segment of the game.

If you look at the numbers and not how you feel watching the game as a blues fan then you would see its pretty evenly matched 5v5 blues (maybe 55-60 to 45-40% split) slightly better but definitely not dominating by any stretch of the imagination.


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Fat finger part 2
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mizslu314
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Look, hockey starts with 5 v 5, teams can control(although it doesn't feel like it) staying out of the box. Sure penalties are another part of the game, but they can be prevented. If we do such, and we have, I like our chances. Also, we're a better road team than home team, and our best games come after losses by 2 goals or more.


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