re: St. Louis Cardinals, MLB model franchise

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You really think it doesnt matter??

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As a Cardinals fan, I'm not really even sure it matters.

It shouldn't have been done, regardless.

I know it adds context and nuance to the discussion (which is always in short supply nowadays), but I don't the stated "why" matters because I don't completely buy it. They were able to say they weren't looking for a competitive advantage because they weren't able to turn it into a competitive advantage. The results of the bad actions allowed that explanation. But what if Chris Correa were better at doing what he was doing?

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"Doing it the right way" meant stealing data from a franchise that was passing them up and leaving them behind. Sad.

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Astros G.M. didn't change his password? That was definitely not a bait at all. They knew what they were doing, or else it would have never been caught. Ultimately, there are likely reasons behind it all as well.

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I know it adds context and nuance to the discussion (which is always in short supply nowadays), but I don't the stated "why" matters because I don't completely buy it.

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I think it matters because of the context. All cheating isn't the same. It's all wrong. It shares common characteristics, but I think you need the nuance to look back at these things and compare them. Hell, we are talking about it on a message board. That's why the context matters.

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I think it matters because of the context.

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That's fair.

On a related note, and to bring a little levity back to what started out as a tongue-in-cheek thread, was it confirmed that Lunhow's password was "Eckstein"?

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Ah, so the issue is that you don't know the difference between a team and a franchise. Cool.

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Whatever makes you feel better about the situation.

Mike Matheny must have hated this World Series. Too many HRs, not enough bunting.

LOL at the haters in here

If they had read the actual charges, and the fact that the Lead investigators in case said the Team had no ideal what Correa was doing.

But hey, continue making up ur own versions.

It came down to this, info from guy who broke the story:

Luhnow was taking all kinds of Cardinal employees, Ownership finally said enough. Luhnow who actually hired Correa, did not offer him a gig with Astros, he got butthurt, and decided he would get back, and also claimed Luhnow stole some propitiatory stuff the Cardinals had. So he went on his own rogue investigation, hacking.

What did Correa think? If he finds the info on Luhnow and Astros computers, he has them, and can turn that info into Owners and set himself up for a bigger position. Instead, he found nothing, and continued to look and search.

I'll believe the guy who broke the story, and actually talked to the Feds who broke the case, than some butthurt tards on the MSB board.

And the difference between Cardinals, Cubs, and Astros, is while the Cubs and Astros choose to tank to retool, the Cardinals put out competitive rosters, year in year out.

And LOL at a fanbase with 1 Championship, ankle biting another with 11.


PS I actually wish Mo was part of the hacking dealio, would of been a way to get rid of him. Alas, he didn't and the only guy who did, went to jail.



Nothing impressive about Losing on purpose.

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couldn't have said it any better

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doesn't change anything at all

Dude its ok, your stubbornness and your already bitterness dislike of the cardinals shows true. just chill brah

Could be a while IMO