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re: Sports Nation Questions: NFL G.O.A.T. WR, LB, QB

Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:57 pm to
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The play to cap off Brees Super Bowl was Porters INT for a TD.

Many factors went into that game that weren't Brees



And? Many factors that weren't Brady went into Brady's wins too. Brees had a damn good game and is a huge reason the Saints won that SB. Not the only, but he's probably the most important. Remember that the Saints were still winning whenever Porter made that int.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
South Alabama Fan
Member since May 2008
36009 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:01 pm to
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Many factors went into that game that weren't Brees


yeah, that onside kick was one of the most gutsiest things I've ever seen.

Garcon had that big dropped pass too.

Garrett Hartley became the first kicker in Super Bowl history to hit 3 field goals of forty yards or more.

But Brees played mistake free football that entire post season. Manning could not say the same as we all know
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116234 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:01 pm to
I was waiting on someone to throw out the whole Tracy Porter thing as a thing against Brees. Thats a load a crap
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:04 pm to
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You cant just throw out 9 AFC East Championships, 7 AFC Championship game appearances, 5 AFC Championships, and 3 SB rings.


So where does Tedy Bruschi fall in the GOAT argument he has all the same stats
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:04 pm to
Aaron Rodgers is on pace to pass all of these guys

eta: Statistically so far he's on a completely different level. Brees, Brady and Manning are all pretty close, but A Rodge is way out in front
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 5:05 pm
Posted by Sl4m
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
3717 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:08 pm to
I truly feel privileged to have watched the full professional careers of some of the greatest of all time at thier respective position.

Montana, Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Dion sanders, Barry Sanders, Michael Joran, Shaq, Ronnie Lott etc etc
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:08 pm to
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Aaron Rodgers is on pace to pass all of these guys
no he isn't. He's 29 and there is no way Green Bay can keep all of those stud WRs
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116234 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:09 pm to
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So where does Tedy Bruschi fall in the GOAT argument he has all the same stat


Actually he has 3 less AFC East Championships, 1 less AFC Championships, and 2 less AFC championship appearances

But to answer you question seriously, this is a discussion about GOAT QBs, so i dont think Teddy Brushi has much clout
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 5:10 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:10 pm to
He is in everything other than possibly compiling stats due to his moderately late start. This is factual, which makes me wonder if you know what "on pace" means.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:37 pm to
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no he isn't. He's 29 and there is no way Green Bay can keep all of those stud WRs



You don't think maybe Rodgers makes those guys better than they really are? Kinda like Brees and Brady do. I mean, the only legit stud in GB is Greg Jennings.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:38 pm to
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He is in everything other than possibly compiling stats due to his moderately late start. This is factual, which makes me wonder if you know what "on pace" means.


You do know who you're talking to right?
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:41 pm to
Really not fair to have LT and Ray Lewis in the same category.

While both are "linebackers", inside/middle LB and outside LB are 2 totally different positions.

LT is the best OLB, hands down. I think, in my lifetime, Singletary was the best MLB.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45110 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:02 pm to
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At the same time. Did Montana make Rice, did Rice make Montana? Or are they both pretty good..


Montana won 2 SuperBowl MVPS before Rice entered the NFL. Rice went to two SuperBowl after Montana left the league.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:24 pm to
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You don't think maybe Rodgers makes those guys better than they really are?
No. Packers WRs are near the top of the league in YAC every year.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45110 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:37 pm to
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No. Packers WRs are near the top of the league in YAC every year.


Are you talking about Yards after catch or yards after contact?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:43 pm to
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Montana won 2 SuperBowl MVPS before Rice entered the NFL.

In 81 Montana had an elite D and probable the 2nd best receiver duo in the NFL.
In 84 he had the same elite D and WRs but now also had one of the best backfields in NFL History.

Montana was a really good player who played on GREAT teams
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:45 pm to
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Are you talking about Yards after catch or yards after contact?

Yards after catch. Pretty sure yards after contact isn't an official stat.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:49 pm to
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t's Montana vs Brady


No offense, but that's not even close.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45110 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:56 pm to
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You don't think maybe Rodgers makes those guys better than they really are? No. Packers WRs are near the top of the league in YAC every year.


Packers were 4th

New England & New Orleans were 1-2
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19357 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:43 pm to
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Packers were 4th

New England & New Orleans were 1-2


YAC per reception is a better stat. Packers and Pats both 5.8, Saints 5.3. Both Brady and Rodgers have benefited from outstanding weapons.

Brady has proven he can get it done without the weapons(with much less gaudy passing #s), Rodgers has not proven it and regardless his #s are bound to go down once some of those WRs are gone
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