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re: So why are Calipari's teams clean now?

Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:01 pm to
Posted by busey
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:01 pm to
Why would it be anonymous if it was true? You think thousands of journalists don't want to be the one to bring down Cal?

I'll tell you why it was probably anonymous: The writer didn't want to be sued because it was completely false.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:02 pm to
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Anthony Davis according to a retracted Sun-Times article that used anonymous sourcing.

I still don't know what to make of that.


never heard of this. what did it say?
Posted by RedHawk
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:03 pm to
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but both schools were implicated by the NCAA in Cal's situations. Just not Cal....because both incidents happened well outside the walls of the campus basketball programs


Just goes to show you the difference between what the NCAA can prove and what fans think happened. Just because Calipari has never been implicated himself doesn't mean he is innocent.
This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 12:04 pm
Posted by busey
First Coast, Florida
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:04 pm to
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Tell that to UConn


"graduation rate" as it pertains to NCAA athletics has nothing to do with how many players actually graduate. UCONN's players were all on academic probation and that's why they got in trouble. As long as the player leaves on good academic standing it doesn't negatively affect anything.
Posted by busey
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:05 pm to
No coach of any winning program in either football or basketball is "completely innocent". You're a fool if you think otherwise.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:05 pm to
I thought Coach Cal being on the MLK Content of Character ESPN town hall thing was about the funniest thing I ever watched in my life
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:05 pm to
That's not the graduation rate though. That's the APR. Basically there is a formula that rewards teams for having players leave in good academic standing.

I believe graduation rate factors in a very small amount in the formula. The much more important thing is for guys to leave in good academic standing, with the corresponding credits necessary for their class.

A guy like Avery Bradley packing up all of his stuff and moving back to Seattle in April really fricks over Texas, for example.

KY could still have some problems thuogh. Daniel Orton and Eric Bledsoe left the university in poor academic standing, and they will hurt the university's APR. John Wall on the other hand left with a 3.0 I believe. If he never comes back, it still won't hurt the APR because he took enough classes and had good grades. Knight is a smart guy and I have no doubt he left in good standing as well.

It just depends on whether Davis, Jones, Teague, etc bother to finish out the semester.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:05 pm to
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Just because Calipari has never been implicated himself doesn't mean he is innocent.



so you don't like him because he "may" be guilty?


that's pretty shitty of you.


What do you think he had to do with an agent paying Marcus Camby?


I could see how he could potentially have involvement with Rose, but still, nothing was proven from that, and im positive he was investigated for that since it all happened after Memphis lost in the NCAA final that year. To each his own.
Posted by RedHawk
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:10 pm to
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so you don't like him because he "may" be guilty?


Never said I didn't like him, just said that I'm not naive to think that he is innocent either.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:11 pm to
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No coach of any winning program in either football or basketball is "completely innocent". You're a fool if you think otherwise.


Thank you!
Posted by Ex-Popcorn
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:11 pm to
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What do you think he had to do with an agent paying Marcus Camby?


Don't expect an answer to this...it doesn't fit with the judgmental, "aww, c'mon, he's got to be guilty" mentality
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:12 pm to
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Why would it be anonymous if it was true?


It depends on who the source is. My guess, and it is really just a complete guess, is that an assistant coach from Illinois or DePaul or a similar program said it to the Sun-Times guy. The Sun-Times guy published it, but the editors were uncomfortable running something on hearsay.

I've talked with a couple of big name national writers about investigative reporting, and this came up, and they didn't know much about the merit of the Davis allegations (although they cover football more than basketball), so that also lowers the credibility of the article in my eyes. The sportswriting community is tightly knit, and they give each other a lot of credit for good work.

LE, the article basically said that UK paid Anthony Davis $200,000 to go there. It has since been retracted. LINK
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:20 pm to
When I was in high school, Camby was going around town (west Hartford) blabbing about how much money he was getting (from UMass) to go there. I know that's anecdotal, but I am not going to be able to link anything from the early 90s. There was a lot more to the Camby/Cal situation than just the agent dealings. That said, in CBB, if you don't get caught, it isn't cheating.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
38271 posts
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:21 pm to
they will forfeit title within 3 years..
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68598 posts
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:35 pm to
My only thing is this ...

Basketball recruiting is supposedly the most dirty of all collegiate athletics. Yet, UK is out recruiting everyone .... Including UNC, Duke and Kansas by a very large margin.

What is Cal doing, in a dirty world, that makes his recruiting so much better than all the others?
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:38 pm to
one of the two "priors" on Calipari is that one of his players got an agent before the tournament was over. that is not on Cal.

Posted by floridatigah
FL
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:38 pm to
He got Eric Bledsoe and Daniel Orton drafted in the first round as the 4th and 5th options.

Kids want to get to the league as fast as possible and Cal gets them there. Same reason Rick Barnes kills it in recruiting every year, his teams underachieve but kids don't care because he constantly produces first round picks.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 12:56 pm to
I don't think he did anything for Orton. He's shown nothing since his junior year of high school. How he was drafted in the first round is still puzzling me.

But I agree with you otherwise. Cal uses the one and done model to his advantage. It's a risky strategy. If he doesn't get his guys, his team may not be NIT worthy, but he casts a VERY wide net and brings in 4 or 5 top 50 prospects each year. When two of them are in the top 5 or top 10, it's even better.

His teams are never deep. The freshmen play. If they live up to the hype, they are done and in the league after 2 years at most.

He didn't do this at Memphis for the most part. Rose and Tyreke were his only two one and dones, along with Shawne Williams who shouldn't have left after a year.

His first Kentucky class panned out big time, and he's been able to get top tier guys since. I am curious about this year, especially if Shabazz goes to UCLA.
Posted by HoLeInOnEr05
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:00 pm to
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He got Eric Bledsoe and Daniel Orton drafted in the first round as the 4th and 5th options.


That point is invalid ... See Brandan Wright and Marvin Williams at UNC ... neither one of them started, and they were a lottery pick.
This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 1:01 pm
Posted by floridatigah
FL
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 1:22 pm to
Those guys were top 5 recruits that Roy stashed on the bench in an effort to get twi years out of them. Orton and bledsoe were ranked around 30 and had no one and done hype, completely different situations.
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