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Sliding/Dead Ball Foul/ frickery
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:03 pm
Are the refs correct there? I want Clemson to lose as much as everyone else on this planet, but calling that a dead ball foul seems a bit… dumb
For those that did receive it, the refs ruled that since a slide began before the player had reached the first down, the play was over, so the personal foul on the sliding player was a dead ball foul and therefore the penalty applied post turn over on downs
For those that did receive it, the refs ruled that since a slide began before the player had reached the first down, the play was over, so the personal foul on the sliding player was a dead ball foul and therefore the penalty applied post turn over on downs
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 10:05 pm
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Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:03 pm to athenslife101
Correct.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:04 pm to athenslife101
Late hits out of bounds get 15 yards and a first down tacked on. Seems like the same concept.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:04 pm to athenslife101
Correct call. Not sure what's hard to understand here.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:05 pm to DBG
quote:But did the runner go out of bounds on 4th down short of the line to gain? If so the ball belongs to the defensive team and the penalty is enforced from that spot. And the next series will then begin after the penalty, therefore the 1st and 10 and not 1st and 25
Late hits out of bounds get 15 yards and a first down tacked on. Seems like the same concept.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:05 pm to AUCE05
quote:
Not sure what's hard to understand here.
Why is it different for hit out of bounds?
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:06 pm to CWilken21
I’m certain at some point a runner has done that
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:06 pm to DBG
quote:
Late hits out of bounds get 15 yards and a first down tacked on. Seems like the same concept.
This 100%.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:06 pm to athenslife101
First time I can recall seeing this scenario
I'm guessing it has to be right by the rule of the rulebook since they had time to review the targeting
I'm guessing it has to be right by the rule of the rulebook since they had time to review the targeting
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:07 pm to TackySweater
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Why is it different for hit out of bounds?
It’s not. Both are dead ball late hit penalties. If the hit out of bounds was on fourth down it would be a turnover
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:07 pm to athenslife101
I’ve never seen this specifically.
Is there even a 1:1 comparable situation in the past?
Most targeting is done before the player is down.
Initiating a slide is the QB being down. Being down ends the play and its a failed 4th down conversion. I guess a late hit out of bounds after a failed 4th down would be similar.
Is there even a 1:1 comparable situation in the past?
Most targeting is done before the player is down.
Initiating a slide is the QB being down. Being down ends the play and its a failed 4th down conversion. I guess a late hit out of bounds after a failed 4th down would be similar.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:08 pm to athenslife101
Dead ball penalties before the whistle don't make sense. I get that he gave himself up but I see the hit as part of that play.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:09 pm to TigahsOnTop
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It’s not. Both are dead ball late hit penalties. If the hit out of bounds was on fourth down it would be a turnover
This
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:11 pm to JodyPlauche
If I’m a lb and it’s 4th down. I’m going all out.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:11 pm to DBG
quote:
Late hits out of bounds get 15 yards and a first down tacked on. Seems like the same concept.
I would assume a guy who is hit late OOB after coming up short on 4th would still get the same ruling.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:12 pm to Blutarsky
Yea I think that’s right
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:12 pm to athenslife101
By the letter of the law it's the correct call. People seem to not understand it because typically these types of plays don't happen on 4th down where the offensive team fails to convert before the dead ball foul.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:13 pm to Blutarsky
Can you imagine getting a free shot on the teams qb? Gotta watch out for targeting though.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:13 pm to athenslife101
Once he started his slide, the possession immediately went to Duke because he was down/play is over. So it’s a dead ball penalty. It’s different from 3rd down or fewer. QB fckd up and can’t be rewarded in this unique situation.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:13 pm to loUiSiAnatiger
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I get that he gave himself up but I see the hit as part of that play.
As soon as he gave himself up, the play was over. The hit happened after the play. It’s a simple concept.
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