re: Should Mike Mussina ever make the HOF?

glavine: 4,413 1/3 innings, 94 fip-, 86 era-
mussina: 3,562 2/3 innings, 81 fip-, 82 era-
(jack morris: 3,824 innings, 97 fip-, 95 era-)

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His 3.42 playoff ERA and 1.10 WHIP are better than his regular-season numbers.
For those who claim Mussina is a "compiler," the average Hall pitcher plays for 17 seasons. Mussina lasted 18.

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The average ERA in the AL East from 1991-2008, the years Mussina pitched, was 4.53 for all pitchers. Mussina was nearly a run better, posting a 3.68 career ERA along with his 270-153 record. His 3,562 2/3 innings pitched ranked fourth among contemporaries in that same span.
His 2,813 strikeouts from 1991-2008 was sixth in MLB , even ahead of likely Hall of Famers John Smoltz (2,636) and Tom Glavine (2,284). That total would rank him 12th among Hall of Fame pitchers, just behind Jim Bunning but ahead of Warren Spahn, Cy Young and Bob Feller. Mussina's career 7.10 strikeouts per nine innings would place him sixth, ahead of Tom Seaver, Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson, among Hall of Famers in the modern era (since 1901). His 1.98 walks per nine innings would rank 13th, ahead of Gibson, Feller and Sandy Koufax during that same period.

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Mussina's career WAR of 83.0 is fourth highest on this year's ballot, behind Bonds, Clemens and Maddux, just ahead of Glavine, Curt Schilling and Jeff Bagwell. In general terms, this is the area of guys who go in on the first ballot

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When you look at the fWAR and RA9-WAR leaderboards from 1990-2009 -- the two decades Mussina pitched in --his value to both the Orioles and the Yankees was exceptional. In both categories, he placed in the top 10 (fifth in fWAR and sixth in RA9-WAR), placing behind pitchers such as Greg Maddux (104.7 fWAR, 114.2 RA9-WAR) and ahead of pitchers such as Curt Schilling (82.1 fWAR, 81 RA9-WAR).

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That's what you got from that?
All because I bolded the part that shows the average career length of a HOF pitcher vs how many Mussina pitched?

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Clemens Smoltz Pedro Schilling Johnson and Halladay are obviously much better than Mussina and will be in the HOF. But I would put in Brett Saberhagen, Orel Hershiser, and Cliff Lee(if he retired today) before Mussina.

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I don't think Clemens is getting in, Smoltz, Pedro, Johnson, Halladay should get in. Orel should get in, Schilling is behind Mussina imo, Schilling was a NL stats compiler for years, dominant at times yes but overall career I think Mussina was better. Saberhagen was dominant at times, the guy was great at certain points but what was the odd/even year deal with him?

I'll need to remember that going forward in debates with you.

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Mussina was never the best pitcher in the league and usually not even top 5-10

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9 times he finished in the top6 for Cy Young voting

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Mussina was never the best pitcher in the league and usually not even top 5-10. He is far from HOF material.

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Literally laughing out loud.

I don't think Mussina should get in, Clemens definitely shouldn't

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mussina was way better than glavine

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No