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Should High School coaches be held accountable for a losing program?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:24 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:24 am
When I look at schools that have year after year of success, and the head coach and assistant coaches almost never change, but the players always turn over every year, is that the system in place or is that the coaching?
I live in an area where the local high school has won 4 state championships since 2004 and has a record of 143-17-0. Two different head coaches. The previous head coach is now head coach at another high school, which is unbeaten and ranked in the top 10 in the state. That school was averaging 5 losses a season until last year when this coach took over the program.
Nearby is another program. Same size district. Same number of kids. Same booster clubs, etc., etc., etc.. But that school has a record of 54-64-0. Two different head coaches, same as the local school.
So my question is, should high school coaches be held accountable to create a winning program, and failing that, should they be fired, or considering the teacher's union, be moved to another role in the school district? Obviously, if a school has a pattern of losing over and over, year after year, someone is not very good at motivating or coaching, or both.
I live in an area where the local high school has won 4 state championships since 2004 and has a record of 143-17-0. Two different head coaches. The previous head coach is now head coach at another high school, which is unbeaten and ranked in the top 10 in the state. That school was averaging 5 losses a season until last year when this coach took over the program.
Nearby is another program. Same size district. Same number of kids. Same booster clubs, etc., etc., etc.. But that school has a record of 54-64-0. Two different head coaches, same as the local school.
So my question is, should high school coaches be held accountable to create a winning program, and failing that, should they be fired, or considering the teacher's union, be moved to another role in the school district? Obviously, if a school has a pattern of losing over and over, year after year, someone is not very good at motivating or coaching, or both.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:30 am to HubbaBubba
There are so many factors that play into a team losing. Take Rummel football, some people wanted their coach out for a couple of years, but now Rummel is doing very well in 5A.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:33 am to HubbaBubba
Absolutely they should be held accountable. Why should they have immunity for poor performance?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:40 am to HubbaBubba
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I live in an area where the local high school has won 4 state championships since 2004 and has a record of 143-17-0. Two different head coaches. The previous head coach is now head coach at another high school, which is unbeaten and ranked in the top 10 in the state. That school was averaging 5 losses a season until last year when this coach took over the program.
Likely a good recruiter.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:47 am to HubbaBubba
Depends on the standards of the school and what they want from their program.. Some school administrations flat out don't care about football, while others take it to far. The quality programs understand that coaching part of the success but so are resources and a willingness to engage/recruit players to your school.. That goes for public and private and there are plenty of programs that have solid coaches but will not engage in the other defining qualities.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:52 am to Tigertown in ATL
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Likely a good recruiter.
That's a cop out. Good coaches don't need to recruit. They coach the kids they have to the best of their abilities and win. Once you establish a winning program, the recruiting takes care of itself. Kids and parents want to be part of a winner.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:53 am to HubbaBubba
I don't people understand everything that goes into running a successful high school program.
Poor performance is not always a direct reflection on the coach.
Poor performance is not always a direct reflection on the coach.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:58 am to JJ27
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That's a cop out. Good coaches don't need to recruit. They coach the kids they have to the best of their abilities and win. Once you establish a winning program, the recruiting takes care of itself. Kids and parents want to be part of a winner.
That's a good point.
And lots of parents are basically pimps.
I agree with the administration involvement. Without it, Meyer/Saban/Belicheck are not going to win in high school.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:58 am to Tigertown in ATL
quote:Explain.
I agree with the administration involvement.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:59 am to TROLA
100% truth.
I have seen 3A schools struggle to field 18-22 kids the whole year. The administration wanted to focus solely on academics and did not hide her disdain in sports.
Now focusing on academics is.not a bad thing, but I think a good and balanced school understands the importance of both. Sports are often the most visible part of a school and one of your better recruiting tools.
I have seen 3A schools struggle to field 18-22 kids the whole year. The administration wanted to focus solely on academics and did not hide her disdain in sports.
Now focusing on academics is.not a bad thing, but I think a good and balanced school understands the importance of both. Sports are often the most visible part of a school and one of your better recruiting tools.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:00 am to JJ27
I agree. Recruiting happens in all forms, both public and private, but I've never seen a kid leave to go to a school with a worse program. You may not get new kids while you're building your program, but once you're there, the talent starts to show up out of the blue.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:03 am to slackster
where i grew up there was no "recruiting." you went to the school you were zoned in. there were a few who went to a different school because they had a relative there or something. i did have one coach approach me in 8th grade and tell me i could "use a friend's address" in order to go to his high school but i wanted to be with my friends. there weren't a lot of private schools with athletic programs where i lived and im sure those schools have to recruit.
three years seems like a good period to give a hs coach. if you can't show any progress in that time frame... next.
three years seems like a good period to give a hs coach. if you can't show any progress in that time frame... next.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:05 am to HubbaBubba
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I agree with the administration involvement.
Explain
Without the school administration being behind the program, money isn't there, parents aren't there, kids are not interested, fewer kids want to play, etc.
High school coaches don't win with X's and O's only.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:06 am to HubbaBubba
If a school has an administration that does not back the sports programs at their school, then it is very hard to be successful.
This includes bringing in quality coaches, getting the teachers on board with being enthusiastic and supportive of the programs, fighting with the school board to keep equipment and facilities up to date and safe. Standing behind the coaches. Getting booster clubs set up to help. I mean I can go on and on
This includes bringing in quality coaches, getting the teachers on board with being enthusiastic and supportive of the programs, fighting with the school board to keep equipment and facilities up to date and safe. Standing behind the coaches. Getting booster clubs set up to help. I mean I can go on and on
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:03 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
So my question is, should high school coaches be held accountable to create a winning program
Yes. It's not the only thing they should be held accountable for, but it is definitely a large factor.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:11 am to HubbaBubba
I would think so. My high school won no more than 10 games my 4 years there. The best kids in the area would go to the private schools instead. New coach comes and goes to all the local middle schools sends positive message to the young kids and gets a bunch of talent. Now they win a lot.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:20 am to cheesesteak501
Sell those coupon cards
Buy fancy jerseys/helmets
Fudge the district lines for a couple really talents guys
Play good football
That's the formula
Buy fancy jerseys/helmets
Fudge the district lines for a couple really talents guys
Play good football
That's the formula
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:28 am to tigers9898
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Take Rummel football
they offer scholarships to west bank kids and they troll the local playgrounds for the biggest and baddest. I wonder if Bro Mart, Jesuit, or Holy cross do that
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:53 am to TheAlmightySmash
I dearly enjoy h.s. football, I have college/h.s. age sons.
I don't like the idea of "football programs" that you hear in both college and high school, now. I don't WANT to say a coach should be held accountable for winning or be fired. I don't like that dynamic, at all. It's high school, the school part should be way more important than it is to folks inside and around the "athletic departments."
This isn't the NFL, football, and other sports SHOULD be there to compliment the school, to be a viable and needed component. But when I hear fans screaming at coaches, when the emphasis is on "the football program" it tells me the school's priorities may need to be a little different. And yes, I go and support my band sons. I go and I cheer every week, I yell at officials ;) I want to see the kids win or do their very best every time out. We travel to out-of-town games and enjoy it. I simply think this idea of living and dying, hiring and firing just for football wins, is too much.
Same applies at my kids' school over wrestling.
I don't like the idea of "football programs" that you hear in both college and high school, now. I don't WANT to say a coach should be held accountable for winning or be fired. I don't like that dynamic, at all. It's high school, the school part should be way more important than it is to folks inside and around the "athletic departments."
This isn't the NFL, football, and other sports SHOULD be there to compliment the school, to be a viable and needed component. But when I hear fans screaming at coaches, when the emphasis is on "the football program" it tells me the school's priorities may need to be a little different. And yes, I go and support my band sons. I go and I cheer every week, I yell at officials ;) I want to see the kids win or do their very best every time out. We travel to out-of-town games and enjoy it. I simply think this idea of living and dying, hiring and firing just for football wins, is too much.
Same applies at my kids' school over wrestling.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:00 am to HubbaBubba
It really depends on so many variables that its impossible to apply this in every situation. But you absolutely must have a good coach.
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